Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Re house prices ... didn't they go up and down before the referendum just as night follows day.

Getting desperate now Fred.

for someone who refuses to vote on this or any other issue, fred doesn't half make a lot of noise

Understood? So what did you understand about the referendum Dil?

All of it Stan.

Now which bit can I help you on ?

Fire away , it wasn't rocket science.

I think again the point isn’t actually about the question in the ref. It’s what it means if you voted out.

As we know 30 months later we still as a Country don’t know what voting out means as this useless excuse for a Government have not even been able to tell us.

Fortunately some of us grown ups don't need a government to explain things. We work it out for ourselves. But there are always those that need the nanny state for their every need.
God help us if we ever had to rely upon Corbyn, his sour faced sidekick and the genius Abbott to inform us.

No sensible answers as usual from the outsiders on here.

For somebody who claims to understand all about the referendum, Dilbert, it looks like you overlooked the bit in the small print which said that it won't matter if you put your X in the wrong box because Parliament will give you another chance to atone for your sin in 30-something months time.

cheeky girl :-)

i actually doubt there will be a 2nd referendum, not least because the result will be no more clearcut that the 1st time, the rifts in both major parties will be just as pronounced and loudly vocalised and finally, the obvious one, that the result of the 1st referendum needs to be honoured for all sorts of very good reasons

only the real boneheads (surely none on this BB) could ever have imagined that an exit was going to be easy and clean, though there were and remain many good reasons for voting to leave - and also for staying of course

Oh no, Cyners. Really, there are plenty of boneheads on this BB!

Alf, what are these “very good reasons to leave” In your opinion?

Manuel.

You don't have far to look for a bonehead.

Try a mirror.

😂

A few snippets which may be of interest to some. (Not those blinkered by prejudices.)

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Is a customs union different from a free trade area or the single market?

A customs union is different from a free trade area, in which means no tariffs are charged on goods and services moving within the area.

The single market is a broader agreement that encompasses the free movement of goods, services, capital and people.

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How big could the impact of leaving the customs union be?

Around 43 per cent of Britain’s exports go to the EU, according to the Office of National Statistics. They would likely be subject to import tariffs as well as extra administrative costs.

Trade deals take a long time to negotiate. The UK would also be in a far less advantageous negotiating position on its own.

(Especially, if you look at the negotiating skills of the present 18mths with Dil Likes or Manuels in charge.)

Being the world’s largest economic trading bloc with 500 million relatively wealthy consumers gives the EU hefty clout, which the UK alone cannot match.

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If the UK did not negotiate a trade deal with the EU before Brexit, it would have to trade on standard tariffs under World Trade Organisation rules.

An analysis found that the cost to Britain’s exporters - in extra tariffs alone - would be at least £4.5bn per year. This estimate does not include the difficult-to-measure costs of non-tariff barriers, such as the enforcement of different market standards and regulations.

The extra costs on companies could force them to relocate UK operations within the EU after Brexit, potentially leading to job cuts.



The latter is being prepared for.

So we save 8 billion by not paying into the EU and business face an extra 4.5 billion in costs per year.

Seems a good deal to me.

What about the 40 odd billion that we owe the EU for leaving?

From post 11193

A few snippets which may be of interest to some. (Not those blinkered by prejudices.)

So of no interest to you then Fred

Selective Stan

We don't owe the EU £39b, what we do have to pay (rightly so imo) is the ongoing costs for already agreed 'projects' (for want of a better word)

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

No good at links, also not too sure whether it's factual.

But one for Fred and Stan :-)