Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Anyway, a statement of promise from the present government is like a promissory note from a bankrupt company!

Will they be gone by Xmas?

Fred,

As a word of advice going forwards, never suggest that something is outside of your job description. Just tell the gammon that, if they're too stupid to understand what they've voted for, they won't be allowed a vote in the second referendum.

:o)

Mrs May doesn't agree with you Hils and I'm sure she has been better advised on the legal position than any of us on here.

Slow boat to no deal anyone ?

Is that the same Mrs May who promised to get net migration down to the tens of thousands as Home Secretary back in 2010, Dilbert? She was fos then, and nothing's changed now. You still believe any of the cr@p that comes from her mouth??

As a reminder, there's a big difference between denial, and that famous river in Africa!

Dil,

Theresa thinks we will be in uncharted waters if she doesn't get the vote she wants.

I think she is wrong, I think she will be in a sinking boat with the rest of her crew.

Then you have nothing to worry about. So why do you keep bleating on about how unfair it all is just be like Hilary and tell the drunken sheep f*cker he does not know what he is talking about and leave it at that.

Dil,

Martini has a message for you!

Lol

When we leave with no deal first person I'm going to thank is Gina Miller.

Oh the irony of it.

Wake up outsiders you know as well as most people that the coming Informed Referendum will confirm that we are staying in Europe.. so you better get used to it or emigrate.

I thought we'd established last week that Dilbert is actually sober when he sh@gs sheep??!!??

:o)

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Good one Hilary. I'd be better off asking Stan and Ollie. The duo here don't do answers because they don't understand the questions.

IT,

Kitchener needed you, Dil and George in 1914 as fodder.

The world has moved on.

Only the good die young, Fred. Remind me how old you are again.
The EU has been failing people for years. It has done some good but the attempt to increase the Eurozone by allowing the Mediterranean countries to join based on clear fiddling of accounts has been its achilles heel. As was enlargement. The fact that some many young europeans have decided to come to this country is clear evidence of how it has failed the youth of Europe. The problem now is how it can reform and whether the present crop of "leaders" are capable. Personally, I would trust the likes of Micron to organise a scout troop.

And how exactly has the EU failed you personally, iturama?

fred saying that the world has moved is surely an oxymoron for he is the one permanently cemented to times long gone

Hilary, I have always managed my own affairs by working the majority of my working life outside of Europe. So fortunately the EU has not had the opportunity to fail me. But it has failed a lot of others, hence the continuing high youth unemployment and poor pay - EU staff not included of course. They are a law to themselves. I would bet that the French would vote for a Frexit if Micron gave them the opportunity. Have you bought your yellow hi-viz yet?

It.

My brother is 93years old. I say I want to catch him up.

He has told me that I never will.

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Like with all large concerns the EU has made mistakes and will continue to do so.

It is necessary to accept mistakes and make appropriate changes when necessary.

I thought at certain times the "EU" expanded and/or integrated some states or countries to early and should have bedded down and sorted out its "rules and regulations" and "relationships" for those already "signed" up.

But one of the leading exponents of enlargement was the UK. (OK trade was supposed to be their moving force.)

For all its faults Europe, including the UK has moved on since 1945 and the 50s. In spite of some crooked dealers and their dealings.

I can remember sauntering around France and the UK during those periods and seeing the appalling "social" conditions for many. Many don't acknowledge what has been achieved.

As far as the movement of youth is concerned. Youth has always moved around Europe and the world.

I have four daughters, and other family members, who have worked in France, Spain, Italy, Australia, Poland, America and Canada, and other countries and speak numerous languages fluently and worked in various academic institutions or businesses.

They enjoyed the changes and adapted to their environments.

I think the interchanges were good.

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Looking at politicians and leaders of this and other countries, notice that they change, sometimes, unfortunately, not quickly enough.

"But it has failed a lot of others, hence the continuing high youth unemployment and poor pay"

Perhaps. the value of the work being done on "low pay" has to be revised and if "necessary" subsidised by the state, as it is in many ways already is being done.

Is the state already subsidising poor management or business models? I.E are the states taxes being poured into the "profits" of uneconomic businesses and the owners of those businesses?

Interesting, to see if Brexit occurs and Britain trades with the "rest of the world" how "British Business" compete where lower "wages" are paid and costs of production are less.

anyone any recent reports on the levels of youth (under 30?) unemployment in spain, italy, portugal and france?