Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Wake up outsiders you know as well as most people that the coming Informed Referendum will confirm that we are staying in Europe.. so you better get used to it or emigrate.

I thought we'd established last week that Dilbert is actually sober when he sh@gs sheep??!!??

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Good one Hilary. I'd be better off asking Stan and Ollie. The duo here don't do answers because they don't understand the questions.

IT,

Kitchener needed you, Dil and George in 1914 as fodder.

The world has moved on.

Only the good die young, Fred. Remind me how old you are again.
The EU has been failing people for years. It has done some good but the attempt to increase the Eurozone by allowing the Mediterranean countries to join based on clear fiddling of accounts has been its achilles heel. As was enlargement. The fact that some many young europeans have decided to come to this country is clear evidence of how it has failed the youth of Europe. The problem now is how it can reform and whether the present crop of "leaders" are capable. Personally, I would trust the likes of Micron to organise a scout troop.

And how exactly has the EU failed you personally, iturama?

fred saying that the world has moved is surely an oxymoron for he is the one permanently cemented to times long gone

Hilary, I have always managed my own affairs by working the majority of my working life outside of Europe. So fortunately the EU has not had the opportunity to fail me. But it has failed a lot of others, hence the continuing high youth unemployment and poor pay - EU staff not included of course. They are a law to themselves. I would bet that the French would vote for a Frexit if Micron gave them the opportunity. Have you bought your yellow hi-viz yet?

It.

My brother is 93years old. I say I want to catch him up.

He has told me that I never will.

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Like with all large concerns the EU has made mistakes and will continue to do so.

It is necessary to accept mistakes and make appropriate changes when necessary.

I thought at certain times the "EU" expanded and/or integrated some states or countries to early and should have bedded down and sorted out its "rules and regulations" and "relationships" for those already "signed" up.

But one of the leading exponents of enlargement was the UK. (OK trade was supposed to be their moving force.)

For all its faults Europe, including the UK has moved on since 1945 and the 50s. In spite of some crooked dealers and their dealings.

I can remember sauntering around France and the UK during those periods and seeing the appalling "social" conditions for many. Many don't acknowledge what has been achieved.

As far as the movement of youth is concerned. Youth has always moved around Europe and the world.

I have four daughters, and other family members, who have worked in France, Spain, Italy, Australia, Poland, America and Canada, and other countries and speak numerous languages fluently and worked in various academic institutions or businesses.

They enjoyed the changes and adapted to their environments.

I think the interchanges were good.

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Looking at politicians and leaders of this and other countries, notice that they change, sometimes, unfortunately, not quickly enough.

"But it has failed a lot of others, hence the continuing high youth unemployment and poor pay"

Perhaps. the value of the work being done on "low pay" has to be revised and if "necessary" subsidised by the state, as it is in many ways already is being done.

Is the state already subsidising poor management or business models? I.E are the states taxes being poured into the "profits" of uneconomic businesses and the owners of those businesses?

Interesting, to see if Brexit occurs and Britain trades with the "rest of the world" how "British Business" compete where lower "wages" are paid and costs of production are less.

anyone any recent reports on the levels of youth (under 30?) unemployment in spain, italy, portugal and france?

Fred, I agree with much of what you have said. (only today mind). The problem is reform. Germany has been the great beneficiary of the Euro and while Merkel has been the one politician that could have initiated change, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
These are the shocking youth unemployment statistics as of May 2018:-

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

many thanks for those statistics
even if warped or manipulated in some way, they still tell us plenty

Once an outsider always an outsider sums a few on here...and not for the first time.

When you read the figures you need to consider "Zero hour workers".

It seems to me this deliberately distorts the "employment figures".

I would like to see Actual Hours Worked.

the figures across the whole survey will be similarly distorted and of course take no account of the grey economy either

Zero hours? what next zero wages...Oh but we already have them don't we with so called "volunteering".

Pity we don't have all MP's setting and example by "volunteering" some of their time when in Government.

stan - what remote relevance has your post to do with the stats table in question?

Because It's to do with the economy in this Country that's what, this continuing decline in peoples earnings is no good for our economy I would have thought that was obvious to you.

Categorised as being "Unemployed" but actually "working" for the benefit of the community.

Have a look around your local "hospital" or "mental institution" an ask how many non-paid "helpers" are "working" there.