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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

rawdm999 - 03 Jun 2009 08:04 - 1155 of 6906

MM is right. Obama reminds me of Blair, he talks a lot and does it very well but when the details of the issues are investigated very little seems to come to fruition. I believe he is sweet talking the Middle East now to try and offload the G'mo prisoners. Not much has really changed in my eyes.

Fred1new - 04 Jun 2009 10:05 - 1156 of 6906

Disagree, Blair was intellectual shallow, egocentric and a chameleon, similar to with Wisteria. Both have their appeal to some of the shallow thinkers in the middle classes

Obama, I think is highly intelligent and has thought out policies, although the latter will take some skill to implement. I also think his core moral values are obvious and again thought out, not whimsical like Blair's were.

Interesting to watch Obama's tour through the Middle East and the new "moderation" in American politics.


rawdm999 - 04 Jun 2009 10:48 - 1157 of 6906

I didn't say he wasn't intellectual, I simply compared him to Blair in that he is promising policies that I can't see him being able to deliver. In some ways I see him as being nothing more than a travelling showman enchanting the shallow thinkers you refer to (and he spends far too much time on TV for my liking).

It will be interesting to see if he can offload the G'mo problem on the Middle East, he has a head start in that the Human Rights Act won't stop him sending 'enemy combatants' to places that may be a bit rough with them.

Showing moderation in the Middle East is just as unlikely to solve any issues as being hard line imo.

Fred1new - 04 Jun 2009 17:32 - 1158 of 6906

Interesting speech.

Can he deal with those who are out of touch and shout the old rhetoric.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090604/wl_afp/usdiplomacymideastislam_20090604140437;_ylt=An2lK.6m5mD7vF_K.5xzhS6sOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTJ1bzM5aWIyBGFzc2V0A2FmcC8yMDA5MDYwNC91c2RpcGxvbWFjeW1pZGVhc3Rpc2xhbQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fcGFnaW5hdGVfc3VtbWFyeV9saXN0BHNsawNvYmFt

CAIRO (AFP) US President Barack Obama on Thursday vowed to forge a "new beginning" for Islam and America in a landmark speech to the world's Muslims, evoking a vision of peace after a smouldering cycle of "suspicion and discord."

In what may be a defining moment of his presidency, Obama laid out a new blueprint for US Middle East policy, vowing to end mistrust, forge a Palestinian state and defuse a nuclear showdown with Iran.

"So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace," said Obama, who was greeted with a standing ovation as he stepped up to the podium at Cairo University.

Obama's long-awaited speech fulfilled a campaign promise and came after he held talks in Saudi Arabia Wednesday with King Abdullah and Thursday with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak aimed at reviving Middle East peace moves.

In the university's imposing domed Great Hall, Obama said the US bond with Israel, the source of much Arab distrust of the United States, was unbreakable, and rejected "ignorant" rants by those who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

But, breaking from policies of his predecessor George W. Bush, Obama also rebuked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's refusal to halt West Bank settlement expansion and reiterated his backing for a two-state solution.

"I have come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world," Obama said in a speech targeting the globe's 1.5 billion Muslims on television, the Internet and on social networking sites.

"This cycle of suspicion and discord must end," said Obama vowing to fight "negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

"But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America," he said, and touched on contentious regional like democracy and women's rights.

Quoting the region's three holy books, the Koran, the Torah and the Bible, he evoked a future of "mutual interest and mutual respect, examining all sources of tension between America and the Muslim world.

The US president, laying out an ambitious foreign policy, to match the audacity of his domestic program, spoke directly to Muslims on their arguments with America.

rawdm999 - 05 Jun 2009 07:43 - 1159 of 6906

....and the Iranians poured cold water on the idea before they even heard the speech. That tells me something. It takes two to tango as they say. I also noticed the 'showman' symbolic visit to a concentration camp in Germany immediately after to let those of Jewish persuasion know he hasn't cast them aside.

I find this interview far more interesting and offering much more hope....

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1363wmv&ak=null

ahoj - 05 Jun 2009 08:20 - 1160 of 6906

Obama will be loved in the Middle East. USA image is going to be changed soon and the world recovery will start as a result, IMO.

rawdm999 - 05 Jun 2009 09:14 - 1161 of 6906

Obama may be loved by the people of the ME but not necessarily by some powers. Therein lies the problem. I can't see what the ME has to offer that would kickstart the world economy.

Fred1new - 05 Jun 2009 14:12 - 1162 of 6906

Oil !!!!!

rawdm999 - 05 Jun 2009 15:29 - 1163 of 6906

Oil !!!!! itself won't kickstart the world economy but it certainly has the potential to slam the brakes on VERY hard. Oil just sits in the ground minding its own business until things are moving.

required field - 05 Jun 2009 23:16 - 1164 of 6906

Do you know what the opposite of this thread is ? answer : talking about finance on a girlie website !....... example : Don't you just love the way Brad Pitt dresses ?.....and the opposite follow up like you lot would be : they have frozen interest rates today !.

Fred1new - 06 Jun 2009 10:38 - 1165 of 6906

RF, Phew, that was well thought out.
Must read more of your financial words of wisdom.

The financial markets are not in a world of their own.

Interesting, rebuke of Israel's Settlement policy by Clinton within the last 48hours.

Israel, may have to come of age and respect its responsibilities.

Isaacs - 06 Jun 2009 13:28 - 1166 of 6906

So what will happen to price of oil in four weeks Fred?

Any advice on how best to play the financial angle regarding Clinton's rebuke much appreciated.

Isaacs - 06 Jun 2009 13:38 - 1167 of 6906

Much as I enjoy a bit of non-trading banter like many Required Field does have a point. Looking at the top 11 threads only 2 are really related to trading and they are not really a hive of activity (maybe 3 or 4 if you include the PC thread and SW meeting.) I guess we are all a bit more willing to share views on Gaza, British politics, TV programmes, rugby, beer, etc. than trading. I don't really mind but I can see how somebody coming to the Traders Room for discussion on trading might think he is in the wrong place.

Israeli Gaza conflict??????
MP"S expenses, laughing all the way to the bank MP
More responsible parenting froms Brits in Portugal....
The "Ask" Kayak thread :-)
PC & MAC CLINIC
The Apprentice - series 5
The Traders Thread - Friday 5th June
The SIPP and ISA thread
South-West meetings SW
Bunny's Beer Basement
Rugby Thread

Fred1new - 06 Jun 2009 16:12 - 1168 of 6906

Isaccs and RF, Post a little more of financial interest and your offerings will be at the top of the page. It is up to you.

But as you suggest, there are many threads which may provide a little light refreshment for some and rattled the cages of others.

If you don't wish to read the thread. Simple, don't!

Personally, I peruse quite a lot of threads without commenting or having any real interest in their topic. It is up to you.

If the Middle East doubled the price of oil, it would have an effect on the economic recovery.

Don't deal in commodities , but guess that oil may hit 75$ a barrel.

Isaacs - 08 Jun 2009 09:09 - 1169 of 6906

Fred you missed my point. I am not bothered either way but don't think it is fair to ridicule somebody who raises a valid point.

Fred1new - 09 Jun 2009 16:08 - 1170 of 6906

Isaacs, Who was I ridiculing?

Haystack - 22 Jun 2009 19:11 - 1171 of 6906

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7459669.stm

Sarkozy says burqas have no place in France


Burqas are not welcome in France because they are a symbol of the subjugation of women, President Nicolas Sarkozy said Monday.

In his first public comments on an issue fuelling passionate debate, he backed a group of French legislators who expressed concern last week that more and more Muslim women were wearing the garments that cover the face and body from head to toe.

"The issue of the burqa is not a religious issue, it is a question of freedom and of women's dignity," Sarkozy said.

"The burqa is not a religious sign, it is a sign of the subjugation, of the submission of women. I want to say solemnly that it will not be welcome on our territory."

His remarks won strong applause from legislators during a wide-ranging speech at the grandiose Palace of Versailles.

France, home to Europe's largest Muslim minority, is divided over how to reconcile secular values with religious freedom.

Many see the burqa as an infringement of women's rights and say it is being imposed on many Muslim women by fundamentalists.

"We cannot accept that some women in our country are prisoners behind a grille, cut off from social life, deprived of their identity," Sarkozy said.

He backed a cross-party initiative by some 60 legislators for a parliamentary commission to find ways to stop the burqa's spread.


MightyMicro - 22 Jun 2009 20:07 - 1172 of 6906

Well said, Sarko. France has a leader, unlike us.

MrCharts - 22 Jun 2009 20:25 - 1173 of 6906

Sarkozy, a man who shows leadership with courage and common sense.

Can you imagine the reaction in Saudi or so many other Muslim states if western women walked around half naked? They would find that offensive to their religious, cultural and social mores. Fair enough, that's their country. Their business.

Why then do they think they can imprison "their" women in such clothing when it offends our cultural and social mores in this country? Our business.

And why do all those left liberal Israel haters condemn Israel when they want to keep their Jewish identity in their country. Up to them. Their business.

I'm all for real multi-culturalism where other groups, religions etc are tolerated and live together happily as long as what they do isn't offensive to the rest of the population. For example we in the UK should and do tolerate many other cultures and they often enrich our society - and most of those groups do it without causing offence.
Personally I have no problem whatsoever with Muslim women wearing head scarves, but full body coverage produces a sense of unease and alienation - just as it would if UK nationals walked around in Ku Klux Klan outfits.
Equally I have every sympathy with the populations of religious Muslim countries feeling that Christian missionaries trying to convert locals is offensive to them - very understandable.



tyketto - 23 Jun 2009 00:29 - 1174 of 6906

If missionarys tried to convert people in Saudi, they'd be beheaded.
That is their law.

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