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RC Group - Security, RFID, Biometrics (RCG)     

Proselenes - 19 Dec 2008 08:58

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dealerdear - 12 Mar 2009 09:17 - 117 of 146

As I say I like but have no intention of buying until market conditions improve. The MM's are pricing into all companies the possibility of going bust during a depression.

Proselenes - 12 Mar 2009 09:24 - 118 of 146

700202, buyers will wait.

They know that likely a load of weak short term holders will sell on results, so no point buying until late morning, or tomorrow, maybe even next week.

Let the weak sell a cracking set of results, then buy.

Proselenes - 13 Mar 2009 01:55 - 119 of 146

The link to the results presentation and questions is :

http://www.investorcalendar.com/IC/ClientPage.asp?ID=142280

Well worth listening to.

Proselenes - 14 Mar 2009 02:24 - 120 of 146

I have, since seeing the reaction to results in Hong Kong, sold 80% of my holding. Its worth me doing it as it locks in 100% profits, and keeps 20% in there as a "average down" tool to any next purchase.

The response in HK was a little underwhelming, which points to institutions there holding fire until the Wang case is resolved. Quite simply they will look to an opportunity to gain big lumps of stock at a decent price once the Wang stock is sorted out, so there could be a placing later in the year to offload the Wang stake, bring HK and Asian institutions on board and also possibily for some additional cash to chase bigger projects.

Therefore it made sense for me to lock in the profits in cash, but retain an interest as the company still looks very strong going forward.

Master RSI - 06 May 2009 12:46 - 121 of 146

rising to 57p +3.50p after closing higher at HK

the Indicators were pointing to move this way since late last week, I selected the shares last Sunday for the - FANTASY PORTFOLIO - BIG GAINS FOR 2009 - at 53.375p

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=rcg&Si

Proselenes - 19 May 2009 10:09 - 122 of 146

Nice to see this one still rising. I sold out my main holdings in the 70's and 60's on the big rise (after getting in on the low 30's it just had to be done locking in over 100% gains), and dumped the scrip awarded shares last week, so presently all out.

Lots of speculative buying ahead of any court case judgement, but of course if one is not forthcoming the hot money will depart again just as fast, so will watch with interest.

halifax - 13 Aug 2009 12:25 - 123 of 146

good contract win see RNS interims due next month.

Proselenes - 10 Sep 2009 04:00 - 124 of 146

Interim results link here :

http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/sehk/20090910/LTN20090910011.pdf

A number of negatives in there that people can take if you want to look past the headlines, which likely explains the "mute" reaction to the release on the Hang Seng this morning (RCG presently positive just 1% and getting weaker as time goes by, might finish down if this continues.)

rivaldo55555 - 10 Sep 2009 08:08 - 125 of 146

Terrific results overall. 16p EPS in H1 alone!

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=200909100700058103Y

The outlook is very bullish, so an annualised EPS of say 32p+ EPS compares with a 75p share price, up nicely already today.

It's ridiculously cheap imho.

halifax - 10 Sep 2009 10:01 - 126 of 146

good results but no dividend again.

Proselenes - 10 Sep 2009 23:48 - 127 of 146

Some good comments by paulypilot, wshak etc.. on this web site :

http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11672623&sort=whole

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Author: paulypilot Number: 123720 of 123731
Subject: Re: RGC Interims Date: 10/9/09 17:46

Hi,

Have to say I agree with Zakmundo here. I've always been sceptical about RCG, but did buy a few a while back, just to be part of the action &it did look astonishingly cheap on a PER basis.

But the figures today just don't look right. Debtors are just way, way too high. Practically every time in the past when I've tried to justify an investment where the company has an inability to turn profits into cash, it's ended in disaster.

To my eyes, something looks very wrong with RCG, hence sold out this morning.
The other alarm bell was in the narrative, when they spend a paragraph discussing how beneficial to the share price the dual listing has been. For a start, management should never include commentary about the share price with results - the share price is for the market to decide, their job is to run the business. And I don't like dual listings for anything other than mega caps, as it duplicates costs.
But with the case of RCG, their comments on the share price clearly imply that they are happy with the current share price! But if you believe the numbers, the current share price is about one fifth of where it probably should be (if the company was generating cash).

Regards,
Paul.


Author: WShak Number: 123722 of 123731
Subject: Re: RGC Interims Date: 10/9/09 19:52

I completely agree with Paul on this one. RCG simply has too many of the wrong boxes ticked to merit serious consideration as an investment.

1. A leader with an extremely dubious reputation, if the Wang case is anything to go by.
2. Profits which don't translate into cash.
3. Incestuous investments in companies that are then responsible for buying licenses from RCG itself.
4. Strange obsession with the share price.
5. Large investment in Malaysia offices when the money could surely be spent more profitably elsewhere.
6. Very strange scrip dividend announced earlier in the year for no apparent reason.

RCG have had plenty of opportunities to throw off a bucketload of cash but they always seem to find a reason not to.

As Zakmundo says, it's either the cheapest stock on the market or there's something wrong.

I think there's something wrong. If there wasn't, somebody somewhere would be accumulating it in size.

WShak

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Balerboy - 11 Sep 2009 09:11 - 128 of 146

SHARECAST) - Surveillance software firm RCG Holdings shrugged off difficult trading conditions to produce strong growth in sales and earnings in the first half of 2009.

Revenues in the first six months of the year rose 31.4% to HK$1,293.7m (111.6m) from HK$984.4m (63.9m) a year earlier, with Greater China providing most of the growth.

China is the key driving force in economic growth, deputy chief executive officer Dato Lee Boon Han told Sharecast. The government has spent 4 trillion yuen on improving infrastructure and we are benefiting indirectly from that, Lee added.

The Hong Kong and London-listed firm said it is looking to focus more on Indonesia too, where the economy is developing nicely, while management sees lots of exciting opportunities in Nigeria, a market in which the company is a relatively new player.

Profit before tax improved to HK$380.5m (32.8m), up 18% on the HK$322.5m (21m) achieved in the first half of last year.

The group will continue to seek to grow both organically and by acquisitions. Quizzed on what sort of size acquisitions the company looked at, chief financial officer KC Chong told Sharecast that when contemplating acquisitions, it was more a case of finding companies that offered collaborative opportunities.

If a company has a licence for a product in a particular country where we want to expand, and the product fits our area of expertise, we will look at it, Chong explained.

The company does not pay interim dividends.

Balerboy - 11 Sep 2009 09:22 - 129 of 146

Security software specialist RCGs interim results were better than expected, prompting Evolution Securities to reiterate its buy recommendation on the shares without hesitation.

Evolution analyst Philippe Geronimi pinpoints China as the source of nearly all RGCs sales growth in the first half. Sales to Greater China amounted to HK$464.4m, up 153% yoy [year on year]. Southeast Asia, on the other hand, saw flat sales of HK$577.1m. Performance in the Middle East was encouraging with revenue of HK$247.3m, up 24% yoy, Evolution notes.

Proselenes - 11 Sep 2009 11:27 - 130 of 146

Down 4% which was to be expected. A bad October on the markets and with the Hang Seng getting bubbly, we could see RCG down in the 50's by November.

Balerboy - 17 Sep 2009 08:36 - 131 of 146

Any idea why sp jumped this morning, 80+p not what we expected

rivaldo55555 - 17 Sep 2009 09:30 - 132 of 146

RCG were up 15% to HKD10.56 in Hong Kong overnight on heavy volumes of almost 5m shares - RCG are doing an investment roadshow over there which appears to be impressing institutional investors:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=0802.hk

Given that after 16p EPS in their terrific interims RCG are on course for over 30p EPS this year the current P/E remains at only around 2.7 at 81p.

A re-rating to a P/E of only 5.4 would see a doubling of the share price to 162p.

Balerboy - 17 Sep 2009 09:33 - 133 of 146

and pigs might fly....

rivaldo55555 - 17 Sep 2009 12:37 - 134 of 146

:o))

I bought at 30p when RCG was similarly undervalued, and now it's 81p. A doubling from here to 162p would put it on a P/E of 5.4 based on 30p EPS this year.

It won't take much to move it if as seems to be happening the Asian institutional investors become interested..

rivaldo55555 - 21 Sep 2009 08:47 - 135 of 146

Surging now, up to 93p - led by Hong Kong, with 2m shares traded and having broken through the HKD12 level.

At 93p RCG are still on a P/E of only 3.1 based on 30p EPS this year, having achieved 16p EPS in H1 alone.

And much of the m/cap is covered anyway bu substantial tangible net assets.

A doubling from here would see a p/E of just 6.2 - and a 186p share price.

Proselenes - 23 Sep 2009 07:19 - 136 of 146

Shares weak in Hong Kong today, might be this story and the fear that Tony Chan might start selling RCG and dumping lots of liquidity into the market with might create a mega overhang.......


http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=88206&sid=25454818&con_type=1

Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Fung shui master Tony Chan Chun- chuen continues to sell assets amid his legal battle with the Chinachem Charitable Foundation for the estate of late billionaire Nina Wang Kung Yu-sum.

Chan has been offloading personal assets since the financial tsunami hit late last year. He is reportedly strapped for cash after making investment losses.

The latest move is a possible disposal of his entire 62.32 percent stake in UURG Corp (8192). In previous months Chan sold properties worth more than HK$400 million.

UURG - an information technology and engineering consultancy services provider - said yesterday that Chan was considering selling all his shares. Such action may result in control of the company changing hands.

The firm's shares, which resumed trading yesterday afternoon, rocketed as much as 53.8 percent before closing at 24.1 HK cents, up 23.59 percent on turnover of HK$12.48 million compared with HK$5 million last Friday before trading was suspended.

UURG - which is listed on the Growth Enterprise Market - said Chan entered into an agreement with a potential buyer to facilitate due diligence up to October 1 and that Chan had received a non-refundable deposit of HK$500,000.

Chan's wholly-owned Marilyn Investments and Offshore Group Holdings hold his UURG shares. Marilyn, through its wholly owned subsidiary Almond Global, holds 2.52 billion shares, or 45.26 percent of UURG. Offshore holds 950 million shares, or 17.06 percent.

Almond also holds a convertible bond in the principal amount of HK$2.9 million which can be converted into 5.8 billion shares.

In July, Chan sold a luxury home at Severn 8 on The Peak for HK$230 million, or HK$45,000 per square foot, after buying it for HK$167 million in 2006.

He also reaped a total of HK$178.5 million by selling a house at Royal Oaks in Sheung Shui and a house at Middle Gap Road on The Peak.

In January, he received HK$203 million for a top-of-the-line Gulfstream jet that he bought for HK$265 million in 2005. He is also said to have sold two yachts.

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