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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack - 24 Jan 2019 17:19 - 11915 of 12628

The unions and Labour were bankrupting the UK. Constant violent strikes, rubbish piling up in the streets, people going unburied etc.

Even Harold Wilson wanted to curb the excesses of the unions. Barbara Castle publish a paper on how to control the unions entitled "in place of strife". Wilson couldn't get the plans through parliament due to the left wing of the party. It was up to Thatcher to do the job. It is significant that Labour did not repeal Thatcher's union laws. She passed laws that Labour secretly wanted.

hilary - 24 Jan 2019 17:24 - 11916 of 12628

I'm so glad all those dreadful things happened before I was born.

Martini - 24 Jan 2019 17:30 - 11917 of 12628

I was at Longbridge in the 70’s. The unions were all powerful and the senior management impotent.

I remember the day when I needed a new window winder mechanism fitting to a protype car in the Expermental Department. To achieve this feat of automotive engineering required a man from the trim shop to remove the door casing followed on a day later by a man from the Electrical shop to unplug the electrics, followed a day later by a man from the mechanical shop to remove the window mechanism.

This was reversed by the same team of highly skilled operatives to install the new part. When I casually questioned the local shop steward as to why this was so he explained that these men had families to keep and needed to protect their livelihoods.

When I suggested I could have done the whole job in under an hour myself I was told in no uncertain terms that a member of staff using tools would bring the whole of longbridge to a halt and subsequently my time with the company.

My line manager went white when he heard what I had said to the shop steward and I was banned from going on the shop floor till further notice..

Happy days.

Fred1new - 24 Jan 2019 17:32 - 11918 of 12628

The problem with gods and goddesses is that on close inspection they often have legs of clay.

But it is sometimes fun finding out that their strengths were actually weaknesses.

Also, to recognise and be able to laugh at one's own weaknesses.

Clocktower - 24 Jan 2019 17:33 - 11919 of 12628

The EU and the Yanks just wanted the British to hand over the Falklands against the wishes of the people, just like they want to keep Britian in the EU, against the wishes of 52% that voted for a Clean Break.

I bet they would love the rights that go with the surrounding waters of not only Britian but the Falklands as well.

Martini - 24 Jan 2019 17:36 - 11920 of 12628

And when Ted Heath brought in the 3 day week the unions went apoplectic saying there was no way their members would work the extra time without a pay rise.

hilary - 24 Jan 2019 17:41 - 11921 of 12628

What exactly is a 'window winder mechanism'?

Fred1new - 24 Jan 2019 17:43 - 11922 of 12628

A peeping Tom?

Fred1new - 24 Jan 2019 17:54 - 11923 of 12628

George.

Yes.

Approximately 10,000miles from Little England.

Possibly, better to have bribed the inhabitants with £1million each and allowed Argentine to have the rocks.

8-)

Martini - 24 Jan 2019 17:56 - 11924 of 12628

No need to worry your pretty little head over such practical things Hilary

hilary - 24 Jan 2019 18:32 - 11925 of 12628

Oh Martini, you're such a tease!

So it's not an antique Rampant Rabbit then? Without batteries??? Quelle dommage!

Back to the kitchen - it's time for some Indian spiced chicken and cauliflower. I know my place!

:o)

Fred1new - 24 Jan 2019 18:56 - 11926 of 12628

Try chicken with Marmalade.

Haystack - 24 Jan 2019 19:54 - 11927 of 12628

Airbus’s Senior UK Vice President Katherine Bennett let slip a key nugget of information live on Sky News this afternoon as part of their anti-No Deal media blitz. When challenged over whether “the government put you up to this,” after initially deflecting the question, Bennett confirmed that the Government had indeed asked them to up the ante on Project Fear:

2517GEORGE - 24 Jan 2019 20:06 - 11928 of 12628

Who in the Government, that is the question that needs answering

Fred1new - 24 Jan 2019 20:33 - 11929 of 12628

What government?

Can't be the UK's.

They are too incompetent to make a decision.

Dil - 24 Jan 2019 22:19 - 11930 of 12628

Geez go out in my wellies for 3 hours and come back and Her Majesty has no god involved.

Tic tock 64 days left Liz , sort it out.

Stan - 24 Jan 2019 23:08 - 11931 of 12628

You in Wellies again.. surely not in Cardiff -):

Fred1new - 25 Jan 2019 09:26 - 11932 of 12628

For Dil and It.

iturama - 25 Jan 2019 13:54 - 11933 of 12628

Very good Fred. Dainty feet.

hangon - 25 Jan 2019 16:12 - 11934 of 12628

Stan/Haystack . . . FWIW I don't think the EU is reform-minded . . . . their finances are already in something like a mess . . and if Spain, Portugal and bother Italy+Greece are non-contributors . . . . add-in a few of the Eastern Countries(?) and it's probably only Germany and France ( plus UK) that are propping it up.
When DC asked for something he was shown the door - bad mistake! The issue IMHO is that we have a rag-bag Parliament that has been shown to be useless for something they were told (by us) to conclude . We should be thinking what we can spend this "Windfall" £39bn on.... Research, Farming, Schools, NHS"whole-life", Border security, maybe another aircraft carrier, more HS2 ( No, to the last two, please!).
What exactly did Mrs May think we would receive for that wad of Cash? It appears very little benefit would return.
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