Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Why don't you ask Nick Boles and Yvette Cooper, Dilbert?

I'm not sure who they post as on here.

Dominic Simpson?

Heard their plan is losing support anyway.

60 days to go and no closer to a plan being agreed than we were two years ago. Told you they should have put me in charge , would have left Sept 2017 and everything would be sorted by now.

As it stands we are going to leave 18 months later with more acrimony and still nothing agreed.

Hils , that's M and Bullie but I think M has lost the password :-)

"Told you they should have put me in charge''.. thank christ they didn't at least they got something right. -):

Stan the only thing that seems to work around the world is brawn and bullets, hence the huge armies and the business in weapons. Do you have any investments in listed companies that make or support making our country safe from attack and domination, or are you happy to see the UK defense forces handed to the EU along with political power, leaving the UK the servants and payers of the German/French political forces?

At least China cannot build its Silk Road directly into the UK.

gunboats are in rather short supply this week

69.6% of Yvette Cooper constituents voted to leave in referendum strange democracy
We have in this country

dominic grieve is also pursuing his own agenda rather than supporting his constituents

Just shows that Yvette Cooper is happy to put up two fingers to many of those that provided her with a job, only to find out that she does not represent them but to be fair she is not alone as there are many tories that should resign as they supported Brexit during the last election.

What if their constituents voted now that the Brexit lies and costs are being exposed.

Why are the puffed up "Brexiters" and other little englanders so frightened of another referendum?

If they were Democrats one would think they would want to find out what the voters' opinions were and represent them.


Or are those with the deepest pockets the most honest.

I can't see tory neo-cons and parliamentary fellow brexit fellow travelers suffering from the economic disaster of a "Brexit".

Would have a guess they are already running shorts on the Pound and Economy as a whole.

True patriots.

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But, if Brexit goes through other than for inconsequential "paper changes" which I suggest may have over 2 years ago, it is the middle and lower classes which will pick up the bills.

You may then see civil unrest, especially as some of the results will start coming to fruition at the time of the next election with a resulting large margin for labour and a mandate for Labour to make sweeping changes.

Interesting.

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Perhaps it is a Corbyn trap.

8-)

Cyners,

You keep saying that Grieve's constituents voted to leave, but I don't know where you get that from. According to Wikipedia (link here), in Grieve's constituency the vote was very even - 50.8% to remain versus 49.2% to leave. How exactly is he not now representing the wishes of his constituents?

I accept that Nick Boles and Yvette Cooper might be pursuing agenda contrary to their constituents' votes, however, these things work both ways.

For instance, in Iain Duncan Smith's constituency, the vote was to remain by an identical amount to Grieve's, yet he is one of the gammon who feels it acceptable to pursue an ultra-hard Brexit. He doesn't have a mandate for that. And Nigel Dodd's DUP constituency also voted to remain, yet he thinks it's acceptable to pursue his own leave agenda and hold the government to ransom.

Interestingly, the 4 Cardiff constituencies all voted comfortably to remain and are represented by remain MPs. Dil's obviously the black sheep.

:o)

Hils.

Black sheep have good eyesight, Dil is as blind as an old bat.

Can't even see the end of his own nose.

So I am told.

Hold up now...will you please stop “Lamb”basting my orible “Barrrr”steward friend )-:

Theresa May's Maidenhead constituency also voted overwhelmingly to remain (54.6% to 45.4%). Maybe she'll be voting in favour of Nick Boles' amendment tomorrow.

:o)

Hilary, the difference between IDS not voting to remain is that he is following the wishes of the Country and the majority rather than only his voters, so putting the country above that of his own, running the risk of being voted out on that basis when the next election comes.

If only Labour knew what they wanted rather than what JC wants - POWER at any cost.

Talking of the right honourable member for 101 Dalmations, it's now neck and neck as to whether she goes before Brexit happens...

Sabine Weyand said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament.

Well of course they took ownership as they got everything they wanted , so what a stupid remark from the EU`s deputy cheif negotiator.

Hopefully, soon they (the EU) will be taking full ownership of having pissed off the British Public by so much that they will be counting the cost of jobs in Germany and France and the Irish will be wishing they had not put their red lines in place.

Look where the doom and gloom supporters got them last time - they balls up ever time because of their own haughtiness and smugness.

Clocktower,

If you're in Jersey (and currently outside of both the UK and the EU) as you say, are you in favour of the Channel Islands having a seat in the UK parliament and of Channel Islanders being able to vote in elections and referenda?

Just curious.