Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Sabine Weyand said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament.

Well of course they took ownership as they got everything they wanted , so what a stupid remark from the EU`s deputy cheif negotiator.

Hopefully, soon they (the EU) will be taking full ownership of having pissed off the British Public by so much that they will be counting the cost of jobs in Germany and France and the Irish will be wishing they had not put their red lines in place.

Look where the doom and gloom supporters got them last time - they balls up ever time because of their own haughtiness and smugness.

Clocktower,

If you're in Jersey (and currently outside of both the UK and the EU) as you say, are you in favour of the Channel Islands having a seat in the UK parliament and of Channel Islanders being able to vote in elections and referenda?

Just curious.

hilary, the Channel Islands are in the UK and being the most corrupt part of the UK - with its Judiciary and Political/Civil Servants along with its Police being part and pacel of the worst of all worlds, it is my view that it is unlikely they would ever consider wanting any seat in the British Parliament or wanting a vote in any elections or referenda, as they also have a history of ignoring those results when they tried it in the past I understand, from what I have read. They call it "The Jersey Way" over there.

In addition I cannot envisage the Queen and Privy Council wanting to do away with the Channel Islands Tax Haven, let alone the EU and French in particular, wanting to bring the Islands into the mix and have one less grey area to undertake questionable transactions.

The Island of Jersey has even jailed Political opponents in recent years, as you can read :- http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/

That's not an answer to the question I asked.

That said, the CI are most certainly not in the UK. They're a dependency.

I thought the CI were run by the Masons.

Hils , I think the only places in Wales to vote remain were Cardiff and the Vale of Glamorgan (my old constituency).

I vote in Blaenau Gwent , go look up how we voted ... wasn't even close.


Fred , the only one afraid of a second referendum is Corbyn. He would get slaughtered at the next election if he backed one.

Yvette Cooper will be appearing on Strictly after the next election apparently.

I see that inspired by Brexit the Danes are erecting a fence to keep the German pigs out.

Parliament is facing a day of further Brexit deadlock after Theresa May swung the government's weight behind an amendment that would send her back to Brussels to demand an alternative to the Irish border backstop, splintering Conservative support. The chances of the amendment, championed by the senior backbencher Sir Graham Brady, are on a knife-edge after Tory Brexiters split over whether they should back the change, while pro-remain MPs suggested they would vote against.

In other words Brexit means...b+gger all.

Fred, you could also be correct about the Masons and in response to hils, while the Channel Islands are Crown Dependency as you say, they are as entwined in the UK more deeply than almost any other part of the British Islands. The Islands are nothing more than a can of worms, that the UK Government collaborates with, to ensure that matters that would cause a public outcry are contained in the Islands.

Look back into the days of the troubles in Ireland, and see where business was done with the IRA - Not long ago it was reported that Russian Oligarchs were laundering their money through the Islands, and given residential status thus I expect becoming entitled to UK passports. How many Arabian Skiekhs turn up with pots of money on their private jets, to work into the system with the full knowledge of the UK and EU - hence the reason some countries have the Islands on their Black Lists of Tax Havens.

No matter how Brexit works out, the Channel Islands will be a Special Case and all parties will work out a deal that allows the Islands a Special Status - Something that they agree with easy but have trouble doing so when it comes to the Irish situation.

Ask yourself, why is it that the EU and the UK can agree these matters but cannot sort out the boarder issues?

Stan,

OR TORY CHAOS.

No deal means no fruit and veg according to the supermarkets.

Well that's really going to piss the Scots off isn't it :-)

Anyone happen to know where Mars Bars are made?

I think their shelf life is a bit longer than a tomato or sprout so essentials like Mars bars won't be affected.

What about the eggs for their batter?

What "surprises" me is how many "little englanders" and a tiny "little weshman" want the "independence" or "imaginary self-rule" from the EU, but at the same time refuse the Scots and NI their independence.

We got loads of them but if we start running short they'll just have to eat the bloody Mars bars raw like the rest of us.

Fred . Scotland and NI don't want independence so they have been refused nothing.

Strange that eh Fred. And I thought it was the Scots and NI had both voted to stay them selves. But if it is otherwise I bow to your greater knowledge

Sorry Dil for butting in. You carry on making a fool out of him..