Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

i too have got bored with corbyn, the man who at the outset wouldn't campaign with any heart to remain and now finds himself unable to put forward any meaningful proposal or alternate that doesn't alienate a significant proportion of labour voters

thank goodness he was never (and i hope will never be) in charge of any negotiations of any kind with eu

Post 12000 of 12006 - I guess she smiled at the Judge and maybe the judge did not want to inflict any more pain on the Labour Party.

Does Fiona Onasanya have children, that the judge considered would suffer, or were there other mitigating circumstance? So I do not think we can resolve which sentence was fair.

Manuel,

Remember you voted for Brexit.

Also, while I think your memory is slipping a little more every day, but T May is supposed to be PM and making the proposals for the "BREXIT" negotiations and the splits in her own party.

Also, the chaos which the UK is in is down to other tory incompetents, Cameron and Osborne, who were trying to hold a ragbag party together at the expense of the UK and taxpayers, by holding a falsely proposed referendum.

But I think what they have achieved, is the exposure of the tory party, its policies and party members' self-interests.

My guess at the next G/E the mess will be exposed to the voters who will boot out the tories into the long-grass and then make it pay some for the expense of the proposed fiasco.

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Do you remember one of the leading Brexiter's CV

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5368817/MPs-expenses-Bernard-Jenkin-claims-50000-in-rent-on-farmhouse-owned-by-sister-in-law.html

Kenneth Clarke rampling on and on and on trying to keep the UK in the EU.

i know i voted to leave and would probably do so again

there's no point in trying to have a rational or balanced discussion with you as you are so full of bile, it overrides everything you ever post

while i may not like all parts of the deal TM has finally extracted - and more may now be forthcoming - at least she has fought steadfastly to deliver something that resembles what the majority voted for

meanwhile corbyn has shown himself to be totally spineless and just sulked when asked to sit round the table with everyone else, including the trades unions

"there's no point in trying to have a rational or balanced discussion with you as you are so full of bile, it overrides everything you ever post"

I think that may be a projection of yourself.

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It is good to have the courage of your decisions when following the wrong path off a cliff.

New neo-con philosophy.

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"something that resembles what the majority voted for
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Does that reflect the present opinion of the "voters"?

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Corbyn doesn't need to do anything, T. May is swallowing her own poisoning of her own making and passing the cup around her own party.

He can afford to wait.

Grow up Fred, you are talking foolishly.

All relevant and truthful points well made as usual Fred, unlike the washer women on the other side.

You got a thing against washerwomen? They work and could probably afford to pay for a subscription.

Lol

Corbyn will probably lose his job before TM over his handling of Brexit.

Go for another walk.

It might sober you up!

as i wrote above about fred .....
there's no point in trying to have a rational or balanced discussion with you as you are so full of bile, it overrides everything you ever post

Manuel,

You would be difficult to be balanced even lying down.

Not if my vote counts for anything Dil, He is a god send for the conservatives, any other half competent labour leader would have had them writhing on the floor begging for mercy by now. So as a card carrying member of the Labour Party he will continue to get my vote. Ooo Jeremy Corbyn the savour of the Neo Cons.

He just likes watching T. MaY digging her own grave for herself and the new neo-cons.

Perhaps, you can get rid of her and have IDS back as your leader into the wilderness?

"The Bell is tolling and it tolls for you and the tory party!"

As you don't vote for anything your opinion counts for sweet FA and your grammar is atrocious. Did you get an education? Look up tautology if you don’t understand.

One mention of Washer Women sit back and watch them turn up 😀

Martini - I disagree with your post 12023 as Fred views and opinions have to be respected even if you disagree with them, and there is no need to try to denigrate anyone based on grammer or education - show some respect.

Fred may well be far more intelligent than most on these threads and may have enjoyed and be enjoying an even richer life.

I bet his IQ gets him into Mensa if he wished.

Mesa - love it, what will I do for fun when this bb closes?