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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

iturama - 29 Jan 2019 20:16 - 12044 of 12628

Snap

Clocktower - 29 Jan 2019 20:24 - 12045 of 12628

What are you going to do once MAM closes this BB in Feb - you will miss the target practice and all before Brexit comes to pass, so failing to get any satisfaction and just left to toss off with your dreams of Fred`s Cartoons in your minds.

Stan - 29 Jan 2019 20:38 - 12046 of 12628

I couldn’t possibly comment CT 😂

Martini - 29 Jan 2019 21:01 - 12047 of 12628

By the way Stan when is the informal referendum going to happen? I wouldn’t miss it for the world.

Stan - 29 Jan 2019 22:02 - 12048 of 12628

Just keep on tossing M until I tell you to stop.

hilary - 30 Jan 2019 08:35 - 12049 of 12628

iturama - 30 Jan 2019 08:42 - 12050 of 12628

Mrs May must have had a good night. I'm happy to note that the degree of unhappiness increases as you move to the right. Stan's uniformed referendum is a distant dream. As for that dimwit from the dependency, if every village has one, I suppose its only just that every island should have one too.

Dil - 30 Jan 2019 09:40 - 12051 of 12628

So Con voters are 4.5 times happier than Lab voters and infinitely more happy than the LD voters and Leave voters are infinitely more happy than remoaners.

Sounds about right to me.



Dil - 30 Jan 2019 09:41 - 12052 of 12628

What's the probability of us leaving looking like compared to a second referendum ?

Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 09:42 - 12053 of 12628

CT,

You have just seen the celebration by some bar stool brawlers Dumber and Dumber who have won a Pyrrhic victory.

When they pick up the bill for their TMay's vanity and stupidity further down the road they will turn once again on their own.

The Tory party is becoming the party of false promises.




Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 09:47 - 12054 of 12628

Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 09:47 - 12055 of 12628

Perhaps, Dumber and Dumber will clean the mess up!

Dil - 30 Jan 2019 09:53 - 12056 of 12628

Aww you messed yourself again Fred ?

Never mind soon be over.

iturama - 30 Jan 2019 09:57 - 12057 of 12628

I can see that you are very unhappy Fred, so in view of your (alleged) tender disposition, I will refrain for further comment.
As for the CT character, he needs his clock winding since he is on the slow side. About a fortnight. No danger of him being a fellow member (whatever that means) of Mesa. Who in his right mind would pay 50 quid to boast that he is smart? Maybe Stan, if he could borrow the money.

Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 09:59 - 12058 of 12628

No, I can see the sh t when it is resurfacing and prefer to avoid it.

PS.

Why don't you and Dumber go and bunker down with May and cronies in No 10.

She will need little englanders and a welshman to aid her in her next moments of madness!

hilary - 30 Jan 2019 10:03 - 12059 of 12628

Especially for you, Dil.

Personally, I can't see that the EU have got any reason to reopen the withdrawal agreement. She's listened (after a fashion), and she's now going back to the EU to tell them what parliament want to get the deal through. But if/when she comes back empty handed mid-February, parliament's going to be in exactly the same position as it was last night, except that the vote then will supposedly be meaningful which last night's vote wasn't.

Grieve/Starmer/Boles/Cooper/etc are just going to give it another shot at getting their amendments to extend Article 50 through again then.

Meanwhile, the clock is still ticking till £am's closure, and none of us are going to know how the story ends. Tic toc.

:o)

hilary - 30 Jan 2019 10:08 - 12060 of 12628

The currency markets certainly aren't mirroring that spike in the implied probability chart this morning. Sterling's well bid, which suggests the market still thinks that Brexit won't happen at the end of March.

Edit: BNP Paribas advises retaining long sterling position as they view Brexit extension as 'inevitable'
More firms weighing in on the pound after yesterday's Brexit amendment votes

Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 10:48 - 12061 of 12628

Interesting article.

The words are too long for Dumber and Dumber, unless they buy some dictionaries.

"May thinks she’s won. But the reality of Brexit will soon hit her again
Rafael Behr"


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/29/may-brexit-brady-amendment

Clocktower - 30 Jan 2019 10:52 - 12062 of 12628

It`s nice to be loved, is it not Fred?

LOL - It will all come out in the wash, never mind if the game is about brinkmanship - she pulled it off last time against all the odds and she will do it again and again, then everyone(almost) will be happy and peace will return, and there will be years to sort it all out and maybe by then under Labour rule and with a new leader of the Party. That should be fun.

Fred1new - 30 Jan 2019 12:10 - 12063 of 12628

CT

It depends on what others consider necessary for one to do, or to be, in order to be loved. Often, it is preferable to walk alone.
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Some “love” can be treacherous as T May is finding out.

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What irritates me about last night's HP voting, was the number of people shouting
that the “people” have voted and “dissenters” should give way to their form of “democracy”, but really meaning they want the authority of government contained in the hands of a small narcissistic oligarchy of “Brexiters” (little Englanders) who show little respect of all of the general public as a whole and blackguarding those with different views.

Resembles in many ways of the celebrations and how the general public in Germany were manipulated in the thirties

I think T May and many in her “present day party” are vain, self-more interested and thinking more of their places in history, than what is of benefit to the “country” as a whole. I think the present tory period of government will be judged a period of disastrous failure.

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But it ain’t all over yet.

Into the valley of Death. Rode the six hundred.



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