Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

What's the probability of us leaving looking like compared to a second referendum ?

CT,

You have just seen the celebration by some bar stool brawlers Dumber and Dumber who have won a Pyrrhic victory.

When they pick up the bill for their TMay's vanity and stupidity further down the road they will turn once again on their own.

The Tory party is becoming the party of false promises.

Perhaps, Dumber and Dumber will clean the mess up!

Aww you messed yourself again Fred ?

Never mind soon be over.

I can see that you are very unhappy Fred, so in view of your (alleged) tender disposition, I will refrain for further comment.
As for the CT character, he needs his clock winding since he is on the slow side. About a fortnight. No danger of him being a fellow member (whatever that means) of Mesa. Who in his right mind would pay 50 quid to boast that he is smart? Maybe Stan, if he could borrow the money.

No, I can see the sh t when it is resurfacing and prefer to avoid it.

PS.

Why don't you and Dumber go and bunker down with May and cronies in No 10.

She will need little englanders and a welshman to aid her in her next moments of madness!

Especially for you, Dil.

Personally, I can't see that the EU have got any reason to reopen the withdrawal agreement. She's listened (after a fashion), and she's now going back to the EU to tell them what parliament want to get the deal through. But if/when she comes back empty handed mid-February, parliament's going to be in exactly the same position as it was last night, except that the vote then will supposedly be meaningful which last night's vote wasn't.

Grieve/Starmer/Boles/Cooper/etc are just going to give it another shot at getting their amendments to extend Article 50 through again then.

Meanwhile, the clock is still ticking till £am's closure, and none of us are going to know how the story ends. Tic toc.

:o)

The currency markets certainly aren't mirroring that spike in the implied probability chart this morning. Sterling's well bid, which suggests the market still thinks that Brexit won't happen at the end of March.

Edit: BNP Paribas advises retaining long sterling position as they view Brexit extension as 'inevitable'
More firms weighing in on the pound after yesterday's Brexit amendment votes

Interesting article.

The words are too long for Dumber and Dumber, unless they buy some dictionaries.

"May thinks she’s won. But the reality of Brexit will soon hit her again
Rafael Behr"


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/29/may-brexit-brady-amendment

It`s nice to be loved, is it not Fred?

LOL - It will all come out in the wash, never mind if the game is about brinkmanship - she pulled it off last time against all the odds and she will do it again and again, then everyone(almost) will be happy and peace will return, and there will be years to sort it all out and maybe by then under Labour rule and with a new leader of the Party. That should be fun.

CT

It depends on what others consider necessary for one to do, or to be, in order to be loved. Often, it is preferable to walk alone.
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Some “love” can be treacherous as T May is finding out.

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What irritates me about last night's HP voting, was the number of people shouting
that the “people” have voted and “dissenters” should give way to their form of “democracy”, but really meaning they want the authority of government contained in the hands of a small narcissistic oligarchy of “Brexiters” (little Englanders) who show little respect of all of the general public as a whole and blackguarding those with different views.

Resembles in many ways of the celebrations and how the general public in Germany were manipulated in the thirties

I think T May and many in her “present day party” are vain, self-more interested and thinking more of their places in history, than what is of benefit to the “country” as a whole. I think the present tory period of government will be judged a period of disastrous failure.

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But it ain’t all over yet.

Into the valley of Death. Rode the six hundred.

Hils , my take on it all is that the ball is now firmly in the EU's court.

May goes to Brussels with a proposal to replace the back stop and if the EU refuse to budge then they will be blamed for the possibility of a no deal Brexit happening in eight weeks.
Pressure will come from individual EU members for compromise and opinion in the UK and possibly Parliament will harden against the EU if there is no softening of their position.
No deal hasn't been taken off the table and the Irish border problem will become the EU's problem if we leave with no deal as UK and Ireland will not impose a hard border whatever the EU say. This should be spelt out in no uncertain terms to the EU.

How it will end , who knows but as long the clock keeps ticking I'm happy.

it is a reasonable assumption that there have already been constructive talks between TM and the relevant EU guys

We can but hope cynic , we all knew deep down that this would go to the wire.

That's it Fred , you keep looking on the bright side.

When my children were young, I used to ask them what part of 'NO' they didn't understand.

Maggie Dismay has already been told 'NO' by the EU on many occasions. She's in her 70's and she still doesn't get it!

The backstop can clearly be solved. That much was clear last week when the EU let slip that an alternative would be found in the event of no deal.

nor did MT and until she lost the plot in the last couple of years, she did great service to this country in all sorts of ways ....... and yes, i would agree that some of the "collateral damage" was awful though arguably inevitable given the uncompromising militancy of scargill and others of that ilk

It is always somebody else's fault.

"nor did MT and until she lost the plot in the last couple of years, she did great service to this country in all sorts of ways ....... and yes, i would agree that some of the "collateral damage" was awful though arguably inevitable given the uncompromising militancy of scargill and others of that ilk''

Alf your undoubted delusions over the years continue...do see someone about them old bean.