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new millennium resources (NML)     

LEEWINK - 28 Mar 2004 15:45

NML is due its interrim results now, last year it was the 28th of this month.

They are setting up a new site to explore/research/analyse and all the equipment to do this should be on site now, and drilling should start soon, all this extra news should be covered in the interims.

does anyone have any further positive views on this company ??

takahe - 02 Aug 2005 13:58 - 1211 of 1909

Andy...lol...Insider information...I should think NOT! I wish I did....
One of Gary's jobs is to deal with enquiries from shareholders..(poor chap) ..those that he is able and allowed to answer....

Andy - 02 Aug 2005 14:32 - 1212 of 1909

takahe,

Yes Gary's job can't be easy, and when he does know price sensitive information, he has to be careful how he answers queriees from shareholders.

mjr1234 - 02 Aug 2005 14:59 - 1213 of 1909

LOL @ "TheMaster"

"TheMuppet" more like!

takahe - 02 Aug 2005 15:00 - 1214 of 1909

Actually, Gary has been a trader himself, so he is well aware of psi. I think he often doesn't know more than we do!!

Wendy D - 02 Aug 2005 15:01 - 1215 of 1909

TheMaster -

Have you ANY idea how big the kimberlite in question is? Some are as much as 100 hectares. An area 60 metres by 100 metres IS only a "small area" if this pipe is worth looking at at all. And then there are ramps and benching to consider in order to make the operation safe.

If they have not seen the data, how would they know where to remove overburden at all? Let alone in a clearly defined spot which is only the size of a football field.

But as someone who knows so much about NML that they think it's run by John Teeling, I guess I am wasting my time trying to tell you anything about this company.

aldwickk - 02 Aug 2005 16:06 - 1216 of 1909

The Master should change his name to the Novice.

mininginvestor - 02 Aug 2005 18:38 - 1217 of 1909

I see that scumbag anomalous has started posting crap over here after getting hazed to hell on ADVFN. His rants are unsubstantiated and usually distortions of other posters opinions. Be very wary of him!!!!

takahe - 02 Aug 2005 18:42 - 1218 of 1909

Don't hold back, mininginvestor! Anom has been posting here for some time....
I am being accused of having insider information talking about removing overburden! As you are an expert in mining, please don't fall about laughing too much at this revelation that that is what you do to find diamonds!!!
(Fiona)

mininginvestor - 02 Aug 2005 19:27 - 1219 of 1909

Dont care if he has been posting here a long time, he is still an asshole!

Anomalous1 - 02 Aug 2005 20:10 - 1220 of 1909

>Andy
From the posts that Mcllelan/takahe has made, including that email to Shane, it does appear that she has been kept mostly in the dark about the key points, especially the change in focus and the lack of any alluvial grades.

I'm sure she (and Wdurham) must understand that some of the emails (from the company) that have been discussed on the BBs (here and on ADVFN) suggest that they know more than the market in general has been told. We know from the data the company posted on the website that the company has been more than 'economical' with the truth. The overburden over the kimberlite must have been the focus of operations since February or January. But why the company chose not to share this with the shareholders AND more importantly to tell the shareholders that they would hear about the alluvial grades at the end of June, when it is obvious that they were not removing the alluvials from the proven resource areas (which the shareholders were led to believe was being operated upon), but the cake and loose material from the kimberlite instead, is highly perculiar.

The latest 'rumours' about a reverse JV sounds more like Teeling's old tricks on AFD. We all remember the '8-weeks' statement. Unlike TheMaster, I know that Teeling is not involved with NML. But I do agree with Gaybriefs, that this rumour stinks of being a ramp to push the share price up. You've seen the number of dumps today. Share sells outnumber share buys by 6 to 1. This is not stake building by some 'Mystery' Buyer, but the 'Mystery' seller(s) using every opportunity to offload even more shares.

Some morons, have suggested that the MMs are in fact keeping a level book on NML and not accumulating any. They suggest that I have the prices wrong and have counted buys as sells. If you believe that, then take a long hard look at today's share sells. The majority of the sells were at the lowest bid price. Some of them were rollovers, but the fact that they have rolled suggests that the buyers have not managed to make the offer price and are rolling on the hope that some improvement saves them. By far the most trades today were sells at bid. I doubt that the new placees would be taking a loss so close to acquiring their shares. But if one looks at the logic of the situation, with a dilution iminent IMO, then they would be stupid to hold onto shares that are about to suddenly drop in value, when they can sell at a loss of 3.5p and buy back at 3p with enough shares to cover their intervening loss. If they were to sit on the shares, they would be accepting an immediate loss of anything up to a 1p each. Selling and buying back in later makes far more sense.

I've looked at the data and believe that most (but not all) of the MMs are holding far more of the shares than they are comfortable with. They could indeed be holding quite a few millions each, even though this is not normal MM policy. The reason is that up until now, the shareholders have been continuing to top up, regardless of the broken promises. A few have now wisely decided to hold back and say "Thus far and no farther". They are witholding any more top-ups until the company proves themselves. It could be that the MMs didn't anticipate this reaction and have taken on shares for which they are unable to find buyers. A few well placed 'rumours' and they can offload their stock at a profit. But I'm curious as to why they chose to raise the offer today, given the trading pattern. One might think that they were raising the price to stimulate interest. So whether this price holds in the face of the 'Mystery' seller(s) determination to sell, we shall see.

I believe the main culprit for the rumour has to be the 'Mystery' seller(s). They have managed to work through most of the placing shares by now and are into their own personal holdings, or the trusts/nominee accounts they set up to deceive the regulators. They are all too aware of the dilutions and all too aware of what it may cost them to hold onto their shares. But the volumes have increased substantially and are not abating, so it appears that they have plenty to offload.

Some of you have suggested that I have blamed the Badenhorsts for being the 'Mystery' seller(s). This is wrong. I do believe that the B brothers have been selling shares. We know from the data that they have disposed or transferred of at least 1 million shares (from the RNS 22 April). The data of the 30 June does show that their individual holdings have increased a little. We know how many shares the B Brothers held individually and that they have not been issued with any more by the company. We also know that they held a joint holding, but not how this was held. Whether in trust or nominee. It is perfectly possible that the B brothers bought a small number of shares. It is also possible (and far more likely in my view) that the B brothers sold most of their joint trust shares and distributed the balance to their personal holdings. But as non-declarable individuals, that is their right. If they want to sell or buy, then that is their business. So long as they do not hold more than a declarable quantity.

Remember this point as well, options may sound good, but if they are only any good if they actually mean that the company intends to deliver on them in the time period they last. In the meantime, one might consider that they are a tool, to convince the shareholders of the good intentions, whilst the company busily get's on doing what it wants to do and not what it told the shareholders it was going to do. If the company fails to reach the share prices in the time period, then the only people disappointed will be the shareholders, not the option holders. They will be issued with more options in due course and are in the meantime drawing a salary, as cash or shares (that can be converted to cash on the market). So they can complain about mosquitos as must as they like. So long as they continue to be paid.

The celebrated Noel Coward once said, that "The Americans can sit there and Coca Cola bottles at me for all I care, so long I get paid!"

Andy - 02 Aug 2005 20:20 - 1221 of 1909

takahe,

you appear to know mininginvestor well!

How do you know he's an "expert"?

And the overburden they are removing that Anom refers to is somewhat deeper than that the company stated previously, and you yourself have questioned to GM!

aldwickk - 02 Aug 2005 20:23 - 1222 of 1909

Is that the kind of grammer that Noel Coward would use ?

Andy - 02 Aug 2005 20:52 - 1223 of 1909

Anom,

Yes Mm's may TRY and keep an even book, but there are times when they can't, and stock overhangs occur.

With regard to the Express' "rumour", well at least it wasn't in the David Shand column!, but it's pretty vague, and I think maybe the PR guy was the source, and spoke to the journo?

With regard to the options, I believe too much is being made of them, as they cost the recipients nothing if they fail to materialise, and they are all receiving salaries in the meantime.

takahe - 02 Aug 2005 21:10 - 1224 of 1909

What a load of nonsense...I think you really are losing the plot, Anom...

takahe - 02 Aug 2005 21:37 - 1225 of 1909

Andy..I do know mininginvestor..and so do you. I agree with you about the overburden...that is why I was moaning to SH about it. However, a colleague pointed out that overburden on alluvials can be quite deep and pointed to the Namakwa set-up which is deep, too. The PR guy was not the source of that rumour, by the way, unless he is lying. He says he doesn't know where it came from.

Anomalous1 - 02 Aug 2005 23:20 - 1226 of 1909

>Alldwick
I tried to locate the exact quote and I can't be certain that I got it exactly correct, but I do recall watching Noel Coward being interviewed when he said it. I thought it was quite funny really, considering what he had said about the Coca Cola bottle in the past, but it just goes to show that (like Wilde before him) Coward was a bonafide genius.

Andy - 02 Aug 2005 23:37 - 1227 of 1909

takahe,

ok, and the FDI overburden at Groen River is also quite deep.

I remeber first seeing the photos, and someone comented that it was TWO! metres deep, and I could see an excavator in the foreground that didn't even come up to the height of the ground, and thought that they were substantially below two metres, which has now come to pass.

If GM doesn't know about the rumour, there may not be too much substance to it, given that he's fairly close to the company, IMO.

takahe - 03 Aug 2005 07:49 - 1228 of 1909

..or he may be in denial mode to nosy shareholders! ..lol. Whatever..it doesn't matter..que sera, sera...what will be, will be...

aldwickk - 03 Aug 2005 10:49 - 1229 of 1909

Ano,
http://www.online-literature.com/quotes/quotations.php

Anomalous1 - 03 Aug 2005 12:20 - 1230 of 1909

>aldwickk
Coward is not listed amongst their authors.
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