Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Raw.
Like your spelling "mistake" :-)

Isaacs, I accept your reframing.

Some of my wife's extended family are Croatian, some Bosnian, some Montenegrin, even some Polish, Hungarian and German influence. All get on very well together, help one another and very reasonable, until they start talking politics or about religious misdeeds. However the latter is unusual.

Very pleasant company, all good cooks and very generous. Different races, nationalities can live in harmony if their leaders would allow them to do so.

Similar, to what is happening in this country, some leaders seem to need to whip up public emotions for their own benefits

some leaders seem to need to whip up public emotions for their own benefits

Bit like you then, Fred.

Not my interpretation.


Amnesty details Gaza 'war crimes'
Israel committed war crimes and carried out reckless attacks and acts of wanton destruction in its Gaza offensive, an independent human rights report says.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians were killed using high-precision weapons, while others were shot at close range, the group Amnesty International says.

Its report also calls rocket attacks by Palestinian militants war crimes and accuses Hamas of endangering civilians.


Israel attributed civilian casualties to collateral damage in legitimate action


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8128210.stm

This is the story I saw which is a balanced headline. Typical BBC to portray it one way.

Amnesty accuses Israel and Hamas of war crimes

Mind you not sure I take Amnesty that seriously anyway. They think anything involving a war is a war crime.

Isaacs, Others seem to take Amnesty International seriously. Perhaps, your opinion is a minority one, or just head in the sand again.

I find the Israeli propaganda spokesman, when answering question and trying to defend Israeli action in Gaza, seems to be becoming more a more embarrassed by himself.

Now we have the United nations and AA and other organisation codemn Israel and Gaza and Israel's Government go deeper and deeper into the bunker.

The one thing which may be produced from this latest exposure, is the possible reduction in armaments to both sides of the conflict.

I was told that funding of Israel by Americans "Israelis" is beginning to dry up!

Changes may occur.

That would certainly be good. Things might get a little calmer if Palestinians don't have any rockets to fire at Israel. Believe it when I see it though.

Or Israelis grabbing land and having a siege of Gaza. Bit like Warsaw a little while ago.

"Oh will they never learn!"

not bad for a shares chat room!!!!!!!

we have a thread of 1220 entries that are debating the rights of Israel protecting themselves against Palestinian terrorists

should this type of debate be somewhere else?

Why, We have a Rugby thread and a thread for the round ball game. A talk to yourself.

Is there something specific about this thread. Mind your positioning seems a little obvious.

Again, as has been previously stated, you are not forced to read the thread!

'Perhaps, your opinion is a minority one,'. Maybe Isaacs hold the view of the silent majority. We don't know because they are silent.
Re. the shares chat room, a broader understanding of as much info. you can take on board can only help, indirectly. The thread need not be read.

edit - and as i've said before, i'm not jewish so i have no vested interest i just want to see balanced reporting.

Raw, this is your opportunity to shine. Let us read your opinion on the Gaza problem. Perhaps even a solution for those incarcerated in the area.

Isreali soldiers speak out on Gaza

Makes for interesting reading and not unsurprising.

Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTaOzt8vYso&NR=1

Fahel - please could you also please precis what the video is? Because if it's fair and evenhanded Fred won't want to watch it.

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Fahel,

I watched the suggested video, with sad amusement. Sadly, it is almost as simplistic in expression as

M. Mouses and Gausys contributions, but does point to the injustices and bitterness within the Arab communities.

Also ,when one reflects over the compulsory confiscations of Jewish Land and goods in Germany and Russia as well as various other countries through the early parts of the 20th century, it seems strange to me that the Israeli government does not reflect upon its present day policies.

I think unless they do so, their actions will come back to haunt them.


For those who are not too blinkered the following is worth reading.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8127980.stm

Israel downplays settlement rift

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak has denied any impasse with the US over Jewish settlement activity in the West Bank as talks ended without agreement.
Mr Barak met US envoy George Mitchell as the two allies are struggling to end a rare public rift over the issue.
The US wants Israel to stop all settlement activity in the occupied territory, but Israel wants to continue what it calls "natural growth".
The Palestinians refuse to restart talks without a settlement freeze.
"I don't think we are stuck," Mr Barak said after the meeting with Mr Mitchell on Tuesday.

He said the talks were "positive" although there were still differences, and later told Israeli radio the two sides were close to reaching a compromise.
Asked whether Israel would offer a temporary halt to settlement activity, of three to six months, Mr Barak said it was "a little bit too early to predict".
He said Mr Mitchell would meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu within the next three weeks.
A meeting scheduled last week between the two was cancelled, in what has been interpreted as a sign of Israeli-US tension.
Access and movement
A joint statement from Mr Mitchell and Mr Barak said they had discussed "the full range of issues related to Middle East peace".
These included "measures on security and incitement by the Palestinians; steps by Arab states toward normalisation with Israel; and, from Israel, actions on access and movement in the West Bank and on settlement activity", the statement said.
Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Palestinians want for a future state, are seen as a major obstacle to peace. The Jewish population in these territories, occupied in the 1967 war, is thought to top 500,000.
On Monday, it emerged that Israel has approved the construction of 50 new residential units in Adam settlement, to house settlers evicted from an unofficial outpost.

The settlements are illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.
Israel committed to freeze settlement activity under the 2003 "road map" peace plan.

Edited 23/7/09 with Isaacs in mind.

Amazed you found time your busy schedule to watch this video Fred.

I blame Gausie for waking him up :-)