This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

I rest my case.
Saddam has been proved guilty of both war crimes and genocide. That itself
justifies removing him from power.
The transition for the population from a dictatorship to democracy is a long road. The 'West' can only assist in establishing the police, health, sanitation, water, power and other essential amienties, then leave the people to run thier own country.
The goverment must assist where needed but not interfere. The timing of troop withdrawal is vital. There is no doubt that troops need to be withdrawn, but at what stage?

IMO, based upon reports of Saddam over the last decades, there is little doubt about
Saddam's guilt.

Victims never find closure.


Keeping to the topic of the thread, how about Blair and Bush?
Instead of UK's PM and US's president, what if Blair and Bush are rulers of banana republics? Are they attracting unfair amount and degree of accusations/scapgoating; or are they protected by fears and greeds afforded them by their positions, connections, nationalities and race?

Bush and Blaire are not guilty of war crimes. They are however guilty of misleading the country, and embelishing facts to suit thier needs. All politicians do this but they have been caught.
So the original thread 'should they be tried' - No.
Should they lose the next election - Yes and probably will
Will the next goverment have learned a lesson - No
Nothing changes but the people.
The price of democracy is leaders become to scared to make a decision that could be unpopular. They therefore water it down, mislead people and spin information.
The reason - to stay in power.
Democracy is not perfect - but its a damm site better than the alternatives.

Am I out of line again. Does anyone else see the hand of Mossad behind the killing in Lebanon?

I think, maybe only that Israel would have any gain from chaos in Lebanon.

As usual don't know.

Would there be interest in another thread under the heading of something like " What would be intelligent approaches to enable the development of peace and stability in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East in the aftermath of invasion of Iraq?"


This will give H6 another opportunity to educate me.

I thought with the recognition by the American administration and the cohorts Blair and Bush, (i.e. the monkey and the organ grinder) it is time to resurrect this thread.

Besides hanging both of them alongside Saddam Hussein, I wonder what would be appropriate methods of withdrawing from Iraq. Perhaps even Afghanistan before it is to late.

I thought with the recognition by the American administration and the cohorts Blair and Bush, (i.e. the monkey and the organ grinder) it is time to resurrect this thread.

Besides hanging both of them alongside Saddam Hussein, I wonder what would be appropriate methods of withdrawing from Iraq. Perhaps even Afghanistan before it is to late.

Also, whether it would be appropriate for the cohorts to pay compensation to the victims (British, American and Iraqis) caused by their stupidity, from the overlarge pensions and future earnings..

?????

Fred, on your post #1221 ...

Lebanon Christians have always been the "meat in the sandwich" - exploited and abused by both sides. There will be genuine peace in Lebanon only if and when both Israel and Syria (perhaps Russia and USA and perhaps plus a few dozen other interested parties) believe peace it is to their advantage.

George Patton once said, "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." is, IMHO, an under-statement. It is more like

"No bastard ever won a war by suffering for their country. He won it by making, rpovoking and tricking other poor dumb bastards to die for our country."

Divide and conquer have been practiced by nations for as long as there are nations.

In short, of course it is possible, but who knows ... I can also see several other shadowy "hands"? Some have the means and can easily create the opportunity. But what are the motivations in this specific case ???

Fred1new, in his final hours, Blair is starting to be a little bit more like a British PM for the British (at least in his speeches) ... Yes, I much suspect it is still only for his own benefits but better late, however little and not likely to be effective, than never .

I "think" or "feel" that Blair has betrayed the Labour party, betrayed his country and betrayed the Middle East.

Helping Bush to reduce the importance of the United Nations and then to go back to them with his begging bowl asking them and other countries to bail them out for the stupidities has probably done more damage to progress of international peace than any action within the last 30 years.

To me, he has always been a ham actor with little real substance with poor reasoning and his arguments being generally shallow

To me, underlying his actions has always been his own self-advancement.

His claim to being a Christian for me, judging by his actions, is hypocrisy.

His value to any peace processes in the Middle East is limited, as they will probably see him as yesterdays soil goods with very little influence on future negotiations.

The sooner he departs the better for those left behind.

Blair/thatcher/churchill three orf the best, along with Enoch powell who painted a very clear picture of the way the UK was heading many years ago, it has all come to pass......The dregs of the world are now residing in the UK, they have changed what once was a truly wonderful country, Blair and his associates are now walking the talk, and those that now chose to reside in the UK will have to adopt the standards set by our fine americans friends, lanquage and knowledge of Uk history for a start.

Diamonds, you could always improve the country by leaving!!!!




8-)

Did you mean walking out of Iraq?

You will be first, read below.........

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain does not want "hate-mongers" -- people coming to live in the country must conform to its tolerant values, Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Friday.

Insisting people living in the country had a duty to integrate, Blair said the government would take a series of measures to encourage immigrants and minorities to mix with British society.


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Migration had been good for Britain and London's hospitality to many nationalities had made it perhaps the most popular capital city in the world, Blair said.
"But we protect this attitude by defending it," he added. "Our tolerance is part of what makes Britain Britain. So conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed," he told an audience that included academics, students and Muslim leaders.

Immigrants wanting to live in Britain will have to pass an English test and ethnic or religious groups seeking government grants will have to show they promote integration, Blair said.

There was no question of Britain allowing the introduction of religious law, he said.

Ahmadinejad caught on video in serious breach of sharia law
By: israelinsider staff
Published: December 6, 2006

Iran's president and Islamic hardliner Ahmadinejad was caught on video watching a group of women dancers in Doha-- a serious violation of sharia law, a Guardian Unlimited report says.

Given that much of Ahmadinejad's support comes from Islamic ultra-conservatives, the incident could prove to be injurious, if not fatal, to the Iranian president.

This week, Iranian news sources announced that Iran's presidential vote would be moved forward, ending Ahmadinejad's term early. Many are wondering if the two events might be related.

Funny how many people believe what they read or what TV decides to show them without even chalenging!

Who would have thought it, Tony Blair telling non-Brits to "Fit in, or f*** off"

He didn't use precisely those words of course, but that's the interpretation being applied in some of today's less reverent journals!

Sounds a good idea juzzle........

Britain is reassessing its attitude to racial and religious minorities following last year's bombings when four British Islamists killed 52 people in suicide bombings on London transport's network.

The government has cracked down on radical Islamic preachers who it says inspire suicide bombers. However, experts say the government's focus on Islam could backfire if Britain's 1.8 million Muslims feel they are under attack.

ENGLISH TEST

Immigrants wishing to live in Britain will have to pass an English test and ethnic or religious groups seeking government grants will have to show they promote integration, Blair said.

There was no question of Britain allowing the introduction of religious law, he said.

Its all closing the stable door after the horse as bolted.

Should companies, people who resident overseas but benefited from UK businesses, and politicians be subjected to a Britishness test?

I am keener on getting rid of the culture of fraud, scam and arrogance from our society.

How will AIM and the city survive? LOL