Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

'Raw, this is your opportunity to shine. ' Sorry Fred been away. We've been over this before so I can't be bothered and if I shine any brighter I may inadvertently blind you (even now with your blinkers still on).

Raw, Self-adulation is no recommendation. Nor is self evaluation much value.

http://www.soldiersspeakout.com/

NOT to be watched by freddyboy - too disorientating for him.

Where have I heard this before

"We don't intend to put them in ghettos, or limit their growth, they receive all the rights" Ariel Atias, Israeli housing minister



The article below is interesting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8164755.stm

After Israel's housing minister called on Jews to move to the north of the country to stop what he described as "the spread of Arabs" there, the BBC's Katya Adler reports on the struggle for land in the area.


Sami Salameh has taken me to what used to be his home before the Israeli authorities flattened it.

Metal rods and slices of skirting board are all that's left, among an expanse of sun-scorched wild grass.

He has brought along some photographs and kicks the earth as he shows them to me. The wiry 65-year-old man is angry and emotional.

"When the house collapsed so did my dreams," he says.

He insists this plot of earth belonged to his family dating back to Ottoman times. But Israel has claimed it as state land. He is not allowed to build here now.

Mr Salameh's new home is in the Arab town of Majdal Krum, in northern Israel. It's illegally built, as is the whole neighbourhood. His family of 14 lives in three rooms. The sewage system is poor.

Mr Salameh's wife, Ashi, tells me the atmosphere in the house is listless and depressed.

He blames their birthright - living as Arabs in the Jewish state of Israel, he says.
"I lost everything when they demolished my house. If I had equal rights, I wouldn't be in this mess. Jewish communities get building permits easily. They have electricity, water, sewage, street lights and parks. How come they live like that and we don't?"


Just outside Mr Salameh's home, a group of boys plays football in the street. Their identity, like his, is complex.

They are Israeli but also Arab. Their families stayed put in Israel after its war of independence 60 years ago.

Israel's Basic Law says all its citizens are equal, but Israeli Arabs say some Israelis are more equal than others.


Neighbouring the town is the leafy, affluent, self-proclaimed Zionist village of Manof.
It is one of the growing predominantly Jewish communities encouraged in the north by Israeli governments since the late 1970s.
'No discrimination'
Northern Israel is home to the highest concentration of Israeli Arabs.

Etc.etc.

Fred-a simple question to you-have you ever visited Israel?

No. Also I am still alive but have an opinion about. but I have various opinions about death.

Also opinions about the validity and gainfulness about killing "innocent" people, whether they are Arab, Jewish, Americans or any other race or nationality.

Also haven't been to the South Pole, but from reports would "believe" it to be cold!

PS.. I wasn't in Germany or Poland during the years 1939-45, but believe much of the "objective" and accepted reports about what happened during that period.

The Arrivals pt.15 (Hollywood & The Promised Land)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ceR6Q8fKo&NR=1

SO CALLED Only Democracy in the Middle East Treats its citizens!!
Watch this Video and you judge!!



http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=oF3gN4dLN18

Evicted Palestinians sleep on the streets outside their homes in East Jerusalem

This quote comes to mind!

"for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

was that written by God?

there's also one along the lines of he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword, which of course could apply almost equally to both parties in this "childish" conflict

Cynic, No it was typed by me. But I do see your point.

However, I wish the conflict was childish. Perhaps, the scale of damage and number of deaths would be less.

I think the best adjective to describe the actions of both/all sides is primitive.

i see plenty of asses but no jawbones thereof!

joking and silly/fun wordgames apart, the conflict is basically childish as are most - i.e. you've got a chocolate bar and i want it; if you won't give it to me, i'll bite you ..... sharing (aka compromise) works with adult adults

Mmmm........the Russians tried sharing out Poland with Hitler.
Seriously both sides have to compromise and give up cherished hopes to live in peace, but that requires a desire to do that on both sides. I think Abbas and Israel can "do business" but as long as Hamas and its allies continue to seek and re-affirm the destruction of Israel then peace is impossible.
And for those who think Netanyahu is an extremist, remember it was Begin who made peace with Egypt - land for peace and recognition - and it's worked for 30 years.

only one thing wrong with the Poland analogy -the Poles were not a willing party to it!

I can see the difficulties in negotiating with the Israeli government:

A group of rabbis and Jewish mystics has taken to the skies over Israel, praying and blowing ceremonial horns in a plane to ward off swine flu.

About 50 religious leaders circled over the country on Monday, chanting prayers and blowing horns, called shofars.

The flight's aim was "to stop the pandemic so people will stop dying from it", Rabbi Yitzhak Batzri was quoted as saying in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper"

I can see the difficulties in negotiating with the Israeli government:

A group of rabbis and Jewish mystics has taken to the skies over Israel, praying and blowing ceremonial horns in a plane to ward off swine flu.

About 50 religious leaders circled over the country on Monday, chanting prayers and blowing horns, called shofars.

The flight's aim was "to stop the pandemic so people will stop dying from it", Rabbi Yitzhak Batzri was quoted as saying in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper"

swine flu only attacks gentiles or those of the Chosen who have fallen by the wayside!
btw, i did not think that Kabalists were really in the mainstream of life even in Israel ..... but of course if the papers print something, it must be true

Especially, if supported by a bulletin board.

But it is an odd old world.

Bye the way, what are the differences between, childish, childlike and primitive when relating to behaviour?