bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
blinger
- 05 Nov 2005 18:43
- 12497 of 27111
ROFLOL
Oilyrag/ dogbawls,via AFN/iii/foulyerboots etc.
you couldn`t make it up!!!!!!!!!
oh and " the market is pricing in", oh yes its HALVED in the last few months
geddoutahere!!!!
blinger
- 05 Nov 2005 20:31
- 12498 of 27111
stockdog
- 05 Nov 2005 21:03
- 12499 of 27111
So - what's your point?
tweenie
- 06 Nov 2005 07:27
- 12500 of 27111
Blinger. Do you have shares in this stock?
If you do and you believe your own opionion, why hold the stock?
If you don't then, what exactly is your beef?
time will tell with this stock.
still happy to loose money in short term, as would appear are most.
So unless you've got something constructive to add either way. STFU.
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 11:37
- 12501 of 27111
fao tweenie and anybody else. blinger/sequestor doesn't care about seo. he only cares about making money. if he feels seo will fall he shorts it and vice versa. it really isn't worth getting into an arguement with him. it is worthwhile taking on board his opinions.
jaguar2
- 06 Nov 2005 14:21
- 12502 of 27111
I have just read on teletext Channel ITV , that BAT want to create a safer cigerette . They are also based in Southampton.
bhunt1910
- 06 Nov 2005 14:37
- 12503 of 27111
You can bet your life that seo are alteady talking to them
Baza
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 14:45
- 12504 of 27111
just seen this. it's along similar lines. jaguar, any chance you could write up of find the original article?
'Safer' cigarettes plan is attacked
Anti-smoking campaigners have said plans by one of the world's largest tobacco companies to launch so-called "safer" cigarettes in Britain could cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
British American Tobacco (BAT) denied claims it intends imminently to roll out products developed using reduced harm research - but admitted that producing less-toxic cigarettes is an urgent priority.
A spokeswoman confirmed that it is currently developing new brands which could take advantage of new filtering procedures, but admitted the science around harm-reduction is inconclusive
She said: "There is no such thing as a safe cigarette. We are working very hard to bring a reduced risk product to market, but we are very, very far away from that."
The company has also denied suggestions that it had privately spoken of creating a product which could reduce the risk of a smoker developing cancer or heart disease by up to 90%.
"There is no truth in the claim over a 90% reduction in risks, that relates to a study of the use of smokeless tobacco, or Swedish-style snus," said the spokeswoman.
"That product isn't lighted and has reduced health risks - but the same figures do not apply to any combustible tobacco product."
It is thought that BAT may be ready to launch new brands as early as next year - prompting outrage from health campaigners who believe such a move could hinder efforts to reduce the 120,000 annual deaths caused by smoking-related illnesses.
"This is an ongoing project at a development stage, it is possible that there could be a launch in 2006, but it really is far too premature to talk about a launch date," said the spokeswoman.
In January, rival firm Philip Morris began tests of a new Marlboro Ultra Smooth brand - marketed on the strength of a new carbon filter system. Critics attacked the marketing slogan 'All of the flavour gets through' and claimed there was an underlying implication that the cigarettes carry a reduced risk to health.
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 14:47
- 12505 of 27111
this is from the guardian.
Scientists stub out hopes for a safer smoke
Amelia Hill
Sunday October 27, 2002
The Observer
For some people, the idea of starting the day without a cigarette and a strong cup of coffee is inconceivable. But even the most addicted of smokers has clung to the hope that, one day, modern science would produce a safe cigarette.
More than 120,000 people a year in the UK die from smoking-related illnesses and, amid growing pressure from consumers and governments, cigarette manufacturers have been racing to develop toxin-reduced cigarettes.
According to recent claims by manufacturers, a cigarette that contains a fraction of the usual number of lethal toxins could be on the shelves of British newsagents by the end of next year.
But the search for the smoker's holy grail has been ridiculed by one of the giants of the tobacco industry. According to BAT, the safe cigarette is a myth and any company that claims to have produced one is seriously and dangerously confused.
'There's no such thing as a safe cigarette,' said Dr Chris Proctor, head of science and research at BAT. 'I'm pretty sure we will see products coming along in the next year, some of them from us, that are trying to make these first small steps towards less risk but we're still talking about something that is going to be very dangerous.
'As a tobacco company, we need to be seen to be putting in as much effort as we can to try to reduce the risks but these first-generation cigarettes are the smallest of steps along the way.
'There's a possibility we can reduce the risks a very little bit but even if we do produce a cigarette that contains fewer toxins and tastes the same, there is still no guarantee we will know whether it has any potential for reducing the harm suffered by the smoker.'
According to Proctor, there are simply no laboratory tests sophisticated enough to gauge whether a particular cigarette is less risky over a 30-year time frame for human beings than any other brand.
'We have no way of testing whether a certain cigarette is 1 per cent or 20 per cent less risky than its competitor,' he said. 'There is no question that the best public health advice is to quit.'
Despite rising profits, the long-term financial viability of tobacco companies is currently in question: a ban on tobacco advertising that will become law in Britain next year could be followed by a worldwide ban under a treaty discussed by the World Health Organisation last week.
And after defeats in the courts, tobacco companies are anxiously counting their depleted profits: Philip Morris was this month ordered to pay $28 billion, the biggest individual damages award in US legal history, to a 64-year-old woman with lung cancer.
The defeat came hot on the heels of the first successful payout over claims that 'light' cigarettes are less hazardous. Tobacco companies also recently lost their first passive smoking court case.
Proctor's admission has, however, been greeted with scepticism by anti-smoking campaigners including Professor Martin Jarvis of University College London, who is a principal scientist at Cancer Research UK.
'When an ordinary cigarette is lit, the 300 or so toxic and carcinogenic substances in tobacco explode into a cocktail of more than 5,000, including 60 cancer-forming agents,' he said. 'There is no way that a cigarette can, therefore, ever be safe.
'The really big confession I want to see the tobacco industry making is that they are investigating methods of non-combustible nicotine delivery, such as gum or powder.'
This is a point taken up by Clive Bates, director of the Action on Smoking and Health, who was part of last week's WHO tobacco treaty discussions. 'Nicotine gum and powders, such as the Swedish oral snuff, are 90 to 99 per cent less dangerous than cigarettes,' he said. 'The new generation of so-called safe cigarettes, on the other hand, almost certainly offer a neglible reduction in risk. There is no question what product the tobacco industry should be investing in if they really care about their customers.'
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 14:49
- 12506 of 27111
no mention of biodegradable filters , though.
bhunt1910
- 06 Nov 2005 14:54
- 12507 of 27111
Bos I can tell your bored - it must be as shitty up north as it is down south - but at least Blackburn trounced Charlton.
Got e sneaky feely that Manu might give Chelsea a good run this pm
Baza
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 15:16
- 12508 of 27111
baz, very bored, very shitty, in a mood, full of a cold. united will beat chavski.
lindos
- 06 Nov 2005 16:43
- 12509 of 27111
I have read elsawhere that the green seal machines are running too slowly and are therfore not profitable. is this rubbish!!! Does anyone have any information to squash this?
Thanks
Lindos
ghengis101
- 06 Nov 2005 16:54
- 12510 of 27111
Lindos,
I feel that it is total B/S or misinformation spread by shorters,who have only started posting on various bb's ( under several pseudonyms ? ) in the last month or so !! .Time will tell .
But ask yourself this Question ? Would you rather believe, an anonymous de-ramper ,who has his own vested interest in seeing the share price fall ,or two senior members of ASDA and Sainsburys who have left their previous careers to join Stanelco ?
lindos
- 06 Nov 2005 17:17
- 12511 of 27111
That was my gut feeling as well
Thanks
greekman
- 06 Nov 2005 17:26
- 12512 of 27111
Oilyway,
Your post 12496, (although copied as you state ) says it all. I have no doubt that on present fundamentals SEO is overpriced but on future prospects is far too cheap.
Not one to guess or state possible future prices, but I am sure as I can be this share has excellent prospects.
greekman
- 06 Nov 2005 17:30
- 12513 of 27111
lindos,
I agree with ghengis re misinformation, if there was any sort of problem with the greenseal project, SEO would under LSE rules have had to release such. They could not possibly hope to keep such a price sensative issue quiet.
ghengis101
- 06 Nov 2005 17:37
- 12514 of 27111
Chaps,
I've edited My previous post to re-iterate the point.
Thanks,
G
bosley
- 06 Nov 2005 17:53
- 12515 of 27111
baza, told you united would win!!!! fantastic
Oilywag
- 06 Nov 2005 18:13
- 12516 of 27111
greekman
Its oilywag to emphasize a none existing sense of humour.
The oily one