We have lots of experienced traders on MoneyAM who would be glad to help if you have any trading questions.

Not all companies deal CFD's (They are considered high risk, and the companies that deal in them are required by the FSA to prove - and not just pay lip service - that you understand the risks involved before they give you an account. Also some shareholders make it a condition of thier account that the shares they hold cannot be used by the broker for others to short so many brokers just find it easier not to get involved.) The ones that do, tend to specialise in it.

In theory you could short/long any CFD's but if they are shares that are not traded in large volumes the spreads can be very wide. Don't forget the prices you can get are set by the company you have an account with. The traders room have a few threads on the problems of getting the deal they want etc. etc. Shorting to protect longs, don't really work because of the spreads and costs. CFD's are best for dealing short term. They are more like trading options!

deal4free have a facility where you can try out some example deals to see how it works.

thx kajman, croc, + snoball for the words of wisdom ... i vll explore the above sites perhaps start by holding a 'mock' portifolio, get some experience before dipping in.. once again i'm grateful for the advice...

Kantona, also have a look at e-trade. They deal cfd's, 3k min account balance 9.95 per deal each way, but you can set up a virtual 100k account by clicking on their advert below. They will probably let you run it for longe if you want before you open an account. I don't use them but lots do.

Very few of the "traditional" brokers will let you run cfd accounts, and most share dealing accounts do not have a shorting facility.

I've a question re trade types.

I see AT trades going through but my list of types doesn't have this one.

Is it 'automatic' where a limit or stop trade has been triggered?

thanks.

ricardopage:

'AT' is an automatic trade generated by the sets system through the order book.

Regards

Ian

Thanks Ian.

This is for Croc. I think I read somewhere you saying not to hold a losing position. Can you please explain where exactly you would consider a losing position to be. For example below a certain percent or at the end of a days trading when the shares are heading south with more sells then buys.
Thanks in advance.

Washlander
Big question!
On daytrading I use constant re evaluation. If I no longer would take out the position I close it even if it has not moved! IE a sudden change in the direction of the FTSE or perhaps the Level 2 order book starts to look dangerous. A very cautious approach but it works for me.
On my longer term trading I stay with a share as long as it remains within its channel / trend or it does a 123 movement on the chart which signals a close.
Of course you could use a moving stop loss to achieve a similar result. But I feel this method gives better results as it keeps you in winning positions longer
D.

sorry if this has been asked before BUT

how come when i watch SETS stocks, very small AT trades move the price, but relatively large trades ( i presume through mms ) seem to have little or no effect?

excellent thread btw
keep it near the top, i was lucky to find it.

Hi Croc,
Thanks for the info, this is Washlander's wife, Liz. What do you mean by a 123 movement on the chart etc..
L.

Hi Liz Washlander This is 123 analysis, the 123 is the triangle formation as can be seen on the chart above. The number 3 point when it drops below the 1 signals a SELL and of course  If I was long I would close or go short. On a rising trend the opposite is true.

Superrod have you got Level2? In the L2 example the real power is with the 600 trade BOT (See BOTS) order above. Every time it is filled it is automatically replaced by another of a similar size. So although small it has enormous power. It is filled approx every 5 minutes so 600 share * 12 times and hour * 8 hours a day * 5 days a week * 4 times a month. = 1, 152,000 shares So these small trades can have far more power than you think!

 

Can anyone advise me where I can find old charts with intraday movements. I want to back test some theories but can only view the last 16 days and thats with Deal4free

Thanks in advance
Mike

crocodile,
thanks for that, i just wish i had more time ( and shares ) to make L2 a viable investment.
keep up the good work
and a good weekend to all.

crocodile

as you've a wealth of information at your fingertips....

please can you direct me to where i can see previous DOW intraday charts, say for the last 3 months (tall oder to sift through perhaps but it's the one area i'd like to head, ie start trading, but would like to get a feel for how it moves.

also, is there anybody who offers a good Level2 introductory session (not too basic as i've lots of bitty knowledge).

thanks.

t.

haines, terod.
Yes I would like historic intraday charts as well for some analysis I am doing. Anyone else have any ideas?

Terod
Yes there are many courses thats cover Level2. I myself do with Global Markets Training in London http://www.glomtc.com/
And one the North of England http://www.ftsedow.com/bigtrain.htm
Ther are a few others as well advertised in shares mags.

http://www.ftsedow.com/bigtrain.htm


The above course comes highly recommended as i have been on it :-)

trouble is cant remember who took it i think it was some bald headed guy called croc or something like that:-)

Mega...

well, sounds good to me.....when's the next training session! London please.
I'll check the link in case the info's there.

I and my wife will have some of the London one please.
my email is
ian.power@onetel.net

Washlander
Passed on your request to Mike!
Look forward to seeing you
David