maestro
- 10 Feb 2007 10:07
London Evening Standard: An explosion of disbelief - fresh doubts over 9/11
London Evening Standard
An explosion of disbelief - fresh doubts over 9/11 - thisislondon.co.uk
09.02.07
A new film alleges the U.S. staged the 9/11 disaster to justify the Iraq war
The official story of what happened on 9/11 never fails to shock. Four American airliners are hijacked by Osama Bin Laden's terrorists in an attack on the heart of the Western world on September 11, 2001.
Two are deliberately flown into New York's famous Twin Towers, which collapse. A third rams into the United States defence headquarters at the Pentagon, in Washington D.C.
The last goes down in rural Pennsylvania, 150 miles north of the capital, after a tussle between the hijackers and some of the passengers onboard, whose bravery was recently portrayed in a Hollywood film, United 93.
Nearly 3,000 ordinary, decent Americans die in the attacks, provoking the U.S. President George W. Bush to mount a global war on terror, which leads to the invasion of Iraq, with Britain in tow.
Or that's how the official story goes.
Yet today, more than five years on, this accepted version of what happened on 9/11 is being challenged by a 90-minute internet movie made for 1,500 on a cheap laptop by three young American men. The film is so popular that up to 100 million viewers have watched what is being dubbed the first internet blockbuster.
The movie was shown on television to 50 million people in 12 countries on the fifth anniversary of 9/11 last autumn. More than 100,000 DVDs have been sold and another 50,000 have been given away. In Britain, 491,000 people have clicked on to Google Video to watch it on their computers.
Called Loose Change, the film is a blitz of statistics, photographs pinched from the web, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony, all set to hip-hop music. And it is dramatically changing the way people think about 9/11.
Navajo
- 14 Feb 2007 13:42
- 13 of 35
Four unanswered questions that virtually make all the demolition conspiracy theories impossible 'til such time as if/when they are.
When were the alleged demolition charges placed?
Who placed them?
How many people placed them?
How long did it take?
An upset and enraged onlooker, remonstrating with the sickening, placard wielding truth movement fruitcakes at ground zero, was pacified with these words from a policeman, one of New Yorks finest.
Dont let the retards spoil your day
seawallwalker
- 14 Feb 2007 13:57
- 14 of 35
Navajo - I'm not taking sides, but I would ask where is the air plane wreckage from the Pentagon crash?
Planting of explosives in such a manner is not as difficult as you may have assumed however I have assumed that the collapse of the Towers was because of the excessive weight of the aircraft embedded in the structures, although in the back of my mind, I have a feeling the towers were constructed in such a way as to withstand any such collision.
It's always nice to see an alternative view, whatever I believe to be the truth.
Navajo
- 14 Feb 2007 14:17
- 15 of 35
seawallwalker.
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Inside the building. The fact the aircraft was travelling so fast accounted for the lack of wreckage outside. The largest parts left intact were undercarriage and engine parts, of which numerous photographs exist. Most of the passengers and crew were also identified via dna samples also found inside. Of course it goes without saying that you won't find any mention of that in maestro's loony (in it for the money) websites :o)
seawallwalker
- 14 Feb 2007 14:21
- 16 of 35
"The largest parts left intact were undercarriage and engine parts, of which numerous photographs exist."
Please show me where to find them.
seawallwalker
- 14 Feb 2007 14:25
- 17 of 35
Navajo
- 14 Feb 2007 14:30
- 18 of 35
seawallwalker.
Re explosive demolition. One good example of how long it takes can be found on British companies that perform them. : If you insist I'll post the demolition co's URL.
A shopping mall in Manchester. I think it was four TEN story buildings. It took 6 months with dozens of men working. A dozen or so explosive experts and hundreds of charges placed in UNOCCUPIED buildings. Now maestro et al would have us believe that (in the mocking words of George Galloway) 'George Bush in his boiler suit blew up WTC7' eg.
seawallwalker
- 14 Feb 2007 14:56
- 19 of 35
Navajo - I don't need the link thanks.
I was unlucky enough to watch it live as it happened on TV on the day apart from the first crash, although I later saw the footage.
As far as maestro goes?
He loves to cause an effect, which is why he publishes these extreme articles on a regular basis.
Sorry to say I have reacted again, I was intrigued by the video, and I have now done plenty of digging as I had nothing else to do, it's the UFO conspiracy all over again.
Haystack
- 14 Feb 2007 15:23
- 20 of 35
A number of people have said that the US never went to the Moon and it was faked. One of the astronauts said that this rumour was put around by unbalanced attention seekers. I think the same comment applies here.
Navajo
- 14 Feb 2007 15:25
- 21 of 35
Just an asside. maestro informed people on various sites some time ago that he was selling Loose Change dvd's on ebay. 'Say no more' ;o)
seawallwalker
- 14 Feb 2007 15:53
- 22 of 35
Okay thanks
maestro
- 14 Feb 2007 17:24
- 23 of 35
navajo baby...yeah for a 1..hardly going to get rich am i...even forked out for a bloody duplicator 250 that rejected 50% of dvds
Navajo
- 14 Feb 2007 19:07
- 24 of 35
That makes you an even bigger fool than your average conspiracy theory 'nut' :o)
maestro
- 15 Feb 2007 07:36
- 25 of 35
yeah well..sold about 1000 so got the ball rolling...i was the first to sell it on Ebay,now hundreds are doing the same..even sold 300 on qxl...now i'm sitting back waiting for the shit to hit the fan
Haystack
- 19 Feb 2007 00:18
- 27 of 35
Completely! Only the the mentally challenged will still believe.
seawallwalker
- 19 Feb 2007 07:23
- 28 of 35
Quite agree - their conspiracy "evidence" has been shown to be flawed based on no real facts.
maestro
- 20 Feb 2007 20:14
- 29 of 35
The true inside facts about the 7/7 London bombings
By James Casbolt, former MI6 agent February 18, 2007
The British and US government are stirring an atmosphere of animosity and hatred between white and Asian people in the UK, US and around the world. Whites verses Asians invents the excuse for the invasion of the Middle East. They are also looking for a minority to blame for the terrorism in the UK and US that the governments themselves are responsible for.
This is known as false flag terrorism. 'Al Qaeda' is an MI- 6, CIA organisation utilising Middle Eastern assets. These are big claims but this is backed up with evidence from my MI 6 contacts. My friend below was briefed in detail regarding what really happened on 7/7 and how the British Government were responsible.
James Casbolt- So you are saying the bombs were planted into the bus several days before the 7/7 London bombings
X10- Yes, the British government switched the safety checking team. When they went into the bus depot a few days before hand a trade union spokesman who was asked about this said he couldnt understand who the security was. He didnt recognise anybody. These were people who come into check the buses. They normally check the buses for things like suspension, braking systems and the security cameras. Instead of staying what is usually an hour or so these people were there for the entire day. When workers approached them and started making small talk they wrere basically ignored . So they had the feeling that these people were not regular security.
James Casbolt- So they were probably MI 5?
X10- They were MI 5. They were there primarily to make sure the video camera went off at a certain time. Which is of course what happened. Isnt it is amazing that on that day, this was similar to what happened with the cameras prior to the death of Princess Diana. All the security cameras that counted on 7/7, not the ones that didnt count, the ones that really counted weren't working. The security camera on that bus wasn't working on that particular day.
James Casbolt- So where did they plant the bombs on the bus?
X10- Inside the seats and under the floor. I know that the eye witness accounts of what happened were all at variance with one another. The BBC relied exclusively on a testimony given by a Scottish guy. The Scottish guy contradicted himself so many times and yet no one in the media asked him about these contradictory statements. He said in one report that he got off the front of the bus and in another report he said he left through the rear door. One report said he was the first out and another report he said was the last off the bus. So there appears to be a lot of confusion in terms of the report
James Casbolt- So the four Asian lads were they MI 5 assets?
X10- They were stooges
James Casbolt- Do you think they consciously knew they were working for MI5?
X10- No they werent working consciously for MI 5. They would just be a shadow team lured into London to be part of a covert programme of simulated attacks. They were paid to be in a certain place at a certain time to take part in a simulated attack. A company was running a simulated terror attack at the time. Those boys were part of that. They were told Your backpacks represent explosive devices but of course they aren't explosives
James Casbolt- So they were told this is just a dummy run
X10- It was a dummy run. They were part of the dummy run. They stopped their car just outside of Luton and they were briefed by somebody. When they left Luton of course, they didnt leave Luton at the time described because there was a cock up with train times. So whether they managed to get to London or not is an unknown because the video camera evidence has been shown to be faulty. There is a problem with the timing on some of the video footage.
James Casbolt- So they bought return tickets?
X10 - Yea, they bought return tickets. Of course you wouldn't but return tickets if you knew you were on a one way journey to hell. Some of the other reports that were briefly mentioned in the quality, alternative media and not the tabloid media. Then they were completely ignored by the controlled tabloid media, was one eye witness who was talking about the fact that as she was coming off the train were the bomb exploded. The police officer said Mind the hole! and he pointed to a huge blast which showed the metal structure of the under carriage facing upwards as if the bomb had blown upwards. This was the security services taking the extra insurance that in case any of the bombs that their agents had left on the train and those were ex MI 5, ex SAS people, that they would have had a back up, a contingency to make sure those explosions did take place. A number of reports reported more bombs than there were alleged terrorists.
James Casbolt- Why is it ex MI 5 doing it? Why is it not active MI5 agents?
X10- In a way there is no such thing as ex MI 5. Once your MI 5 youre always MI 5 (I would have to disagree with that statement as I managed to get away from my involvement with MI 6- James Casbolt). A lot of MI 5 people get jobs with other organisation that are similar in structure when they leave the security services. These organisations are usually part of the private sector. There have been a number of these organisations over the years. A very, very famous intelligence unit that used to work under Peter Mandelson involved in the oil business, and they announced a disclosure about three years ago. Norton Taylor who works for the intelligence part of the Guardian. He pointed out then that such organisations often announce their demise and its nothing of the sort. Its just disinformation or they just change into another company with exactly the same brief. There a lot of these little private organisations that soak up people who have left these intelligence services and they have them working on a private basis but more often than not they are contracted and they get work contracted out to them from the government
James Casbolt- So the four Asian lads, they were probably having their strings pulled by MI 5 officers
X10- Oh yea, absolutely without a doubt. They were runners, a dummy team. Ive spoken to a few people about the way in which dummy teams are run. They interest lads like that, what MI5 do is they say something like We want you to be part of a film, part of a dummy run working with the government and also working with BBC producers on developing scenarios in which terrorist attacks in the UK could take place. You get to London and then you do this, meet us at a certain place and we give you a thousand quid. Thats easy money and its easy money for what? Travelling to London, sitting on a train with a backpack for about half an hour or so and you collect your loot
James Casbolt- Do you think Mohammad Sidique Khan would have been a conscious MI 5 agent?
X10- He may have been paid by MI 5 to go through that on the TV. The same way as, there is another guy who is a known MI 5 agent. He used to be the sidekick of Abdul H the Muslim preacher. He was no 2. He was a Mr fixer and had links to all sorts of exotic quasi terrorist organisations, which are of course almost all run by British intelligence. I wish I could remember his name
James Casbolt- You said one of the ex SAS men who was responsible for the bombings was called Mcgreagor and he was disguised as a homeless person.
X10- That's what they do to blend in, well not blend in but to make them look conspicuous. If youve got a homeless person clutching an old Tescos bag or something you dont tend to look at him and say the guy looks like security threat
James casbolt- Can you explain what he did
X10- He was on the train and left a package with explosives in. The man who told me this, I developed a close relationship in the past and trusted him
James Casbolt- And this man was an MI 6 officer?
X10- Ex MI 6. He longer worked for them. Even in the days when I knew him he had already left the service. As far as the bus operations were concerned that was not his main topic. He was talking mostly about the people in the tube bombings. When all of the eye witness statements came up later on talking about the possibility that the bombs may have been placed under the buses, what the government did was put in a fail safe to make sure that even if some thing went wrong on the day with those people who were involved in the bombings themselves, they would at least have a secondary system to ensure the bombs exploded at exactly the time they wanted
James Casbolt- So would they have been set on timers?
X10- They were set on timers
James Casbolt- So they wouldnt have needed to remotely detonated?
X10- No. This whole remote system is quite strange because on the day itself Ian Blair took down all of the mobile phone communications. Everything was switched off. You couldnt make a mobile phone call. He knew in any event that there were no remote detonators and he was just covering his arse in case any curious journalists asked him a pertinent question later on. There were no remote detonations on the day at all. They were all personally delivered to the destinations
James Casbolt- What happened on the tube then?
X10- The agents were there at the exactly the right time they were supposed to be. If it was the actual case that those guys actually did get the train from Luton. I dont believe they got the train from Luton because apparently that train never turned up. But if they had got to London before hand which s probably the case, they would have had plenty of time to receive the briefing in London. They would have got on train. They would have then been followed by these ex MI 5, SAS officers so that they were actually in the same cart as the so-called juvenile bombers. It would have taken place as scheduled
James Casbolt- So the guys on the train who were ex MI 5, ex SAS, they left the explosives on the train and then got off. What were their names again?
X10- The ex MI 5 man was codenamed J-boy and Mcgreagor was the ex SAS guy
James Casbolt- And then you say they escaped in a Vauxhall cabriolet?
X10- Yes and they were driven away from the scene
James Casbolt- So your MI 6 contact confirmed it was a Vauxhall cabriolet?
X10- Yes
James Casbolt- So J-boy and Mcreagor left explosives in bags under the seats but there were secondary explosives under the train carriage (See photos. Ed.) in case they didnt go off
X10- Yes
James Casbolt- Do you know were the safe house was were Mcgreagor and J-boy went afterwards
X10- The safe house was in South London. This is a very unfortunate event that is going to be churning around in peoples minds for a long time to come. We need a proper public enquiry
To the government factions who were involved in this act of mass killing I say this. How dare you blow up and murder my British people! All those who are accountable will be held fully accountable when the time comes! That time is coming soon. In my vision I see Asian and white brothers and sisters coming together in love and harmony in this country. We will confront the government peacefully for their terrorist crimes.
James Casbolt
http://jamescasbolt.com/bombings.htm
Notes:
1 these people were not regular security: www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm
2 A company was running a simulated terror attack at the time: www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/110705bombingexercises.htm
3 cock up with train times: www.financialoutrage.org.uk/thameslink_database.htm
4 Mind that hole: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3583
5 Mohammad Sidique Khan: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4260
6 See photos: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3583
For further background also see:
The Road To World War Three
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4121
Who Was Albert Pike?
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1086
How Could They Get it So Wrong?
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3478
Haystack
- 20 Feb 2007 22:17
- 30 of 35
"Only the the mentally challenged will still believe."
!!!!!
seawallwalker
- 20 Feb 2007 23:21
- 31 of 35
Look.
That can't be right.
I'm mentally challenged in many wa'heys and I do'hont believe!
Bebrill be brill bebrill dibblle dibble dibble drot.