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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

stroreysj - 27 Feb 2008 11:14 - 1309 of 21973

I think the world would be a far better place if the US took its medicine for what essentially their financial system has cocked up and stopped lowering interest rates. But instead they devalue their currency and give the rest of the world nightmare inflation with out of control commodity prices. When the chickens finally come home to roost it could be far worse than the 70's. But of course you can do that when your the centre of the universe.

halifax - 27 Feb 2008 11:31 - 1310 of 21973

What else could the US do with their huge trade deficit, but to sell worthless pieces of paper to their trading partners denominated in a devaluing currency (sorry I meant derrivatives).Seems a good wheeze to me.

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 11:45 - 1311 of 21973

the rhetoric is fine and may even have some value - personally i have no real view ..... the only bit i care about is whether i can persuade my portfolio to make money, either on long or short tack

stroreysj - 27 Feb 2008 11:59 - 1312 of 21973

cynic absolutely but the parameters change day by day. Im from the old school of economics that bad news was bad for equities, recession was bad for commodities and inflation was bad for everyone. There is no logic to how things are going. I can't decide if the US are idiots , delutional or just so dam clever i just dont get it but looking at the recent posts from folk it doesnt look like im the only one :-)

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 12:09 - 1313 of 21973

don't fret about the philosophy ands esoterics .... just concentrate on trying to read the rhythm and impetus!

HARRYCAT - 27 Feb 2008 14:11 - 1314 of 21973

Well DOW Futures figure was +20 when I last looked. Now it's -88. Talk about rhythm. Any particular beat to dance to?

stroreysj - 27 Feb 2008 14:23 - 1315 of 21973

not that i listen to it these days but Anthrax had a song called its a madhouse which is probably appropriate.

Falcothou - 27 Feb 2008 14:26 - 1316 of 21973

I need to put 'esoterics' through the thesaurus cynic. I think there could soon be a big push to get commodities valued in a bundle of currencies soon and or dollar pegged currencies escaping its grip.

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 16:09 - 1317 of 21973

i hold a small long from last knockings last night, and confess thought i had called it wrong .... however, the market seems intent in ploughing upwards, and though i look on in amazement, far be it from me to piss against the wind.

Dow - 12800/12825 looks to be a pretty major test

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 16:31 - 1318 of 21973

on the basis that dow has not far to run until next major resistance, have banked some modest profits on sticks which i have bought over the last few days ..... if market surges onwards, so well and good ..... if there is a reaction, and do remember the market has recovered dramatically in the last few days, then the correction could be quite sharp .... some funds in the war chest were never a bad idea

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 17:19 - 1319 of 21973

for a little light diversion ...... on 3rd January I picked the following stocks to follow in 2008, so let's see how they have done

SCHE then 535.....now 400.5
PFC 550...........536
ORE 76.............82
CEY 59.5..........77.75
TAN 138..........107
BRR 20.75........13.25

and alternates of
EO. 51.5..........57.5
PVCS 148...........138
CRA 58.............75

and perhaps even
VIY 6.1............7.63


i actually hold all of these and others, though have undoubtedly traded most since the new year.
i own up to taking an absolute pasting in mid/late January when the markets collapsed and i was thick, greedy and undisciplined, but am glad to say, though far from my peak then, am recovering nicely.

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 18:42 - 1320 of 21973

beastly system didn't like my spacing, so cheated instead! .... certainly some stinkers there but also one or two that have done very nicely.

explosive - 27 Feb 2008 18:49 - 1321 of 21973

I've been relativly unscathed making profits until last Friday. Have taken some heavy hits since then but have closed all positions except one, nice to see 1.5 EUR/USD today and fingers crossed it holds completing the formation. FTSE & DOW at silly levels currently, I think theres an awful lot of goodwill in the price which also goes for a great deal of shares, the indicies highs seam artificial against losses in share price against constituents. Agreed the markets fell too fast too soon and a retracement was due, just I can't justify back to these levels.

cynic - 27 Feb 2008 19:05 - 1322 of 21973

so have you gone short?
i closed a small long position at 12740 for a modest profit, and after some thought, have now gone short at 12693 .... not convinced either move was correct, but we shall see .... certainly Dow seem to have stalled and a reaction, even if temporary, is surely due; that's my so-called logic anyway

explosive - 27 Feb 2008 21:36 - 1323 of 21973

Yes short on a Wall St. rolling bet at 12694, done a few trades over 12700 and sold for 12670ish and repeated tonight. Massive fall in the YEN today, didn't have that one on though and with EUR/USD formation complete you can see how costs in the states will be driven up. Higher costs equals less money moving around in the economy resulting in business turnover decline and less profits, less profits, smaller market cap decline in share price.. My logic back...

stroreysj - 28 Feb 2008 03:12 - 1324 of 21973

Explosive that all sounds negative so stocks much go up . As they say things are different this time i.e insanity has usurped madness

spitfire43 - 28 Feb 2008 09:27 - 1325 of 21973

Have made up my mind now, and short on ftse at 6070, I don't trade dow so no position there, but believe 12750 to be about the top here. Plenty of results to digest today, market likes AV. results, but can't decide on RBS just yet, nor can I, will now return to trying to make sense of the results.

stroreysj - 28 Feb 2008 09:32 - 1326 of 21973

i dont know why we bother the odds are so stacked against anyone who is on a trading floor. Tried to buy CSR at 319 today only to find td waterhouse couldnt get a price to trade on. Now they are 350. Even when I get it right (which isnt often) not able to trade

spitfire43 - 28 Feb 2008 09:40 - 1327 of 21973

I do find they can be slow to fill orders that I leave on the system, so I tend to sit with my finger on the button ready to trade. Even then I had one last week which failed to trigger, but it worked second time.

cynic - 28 Feb 2008 09:50 - 1328 of 21973

that's the advantage of a decent on-line broker or whatever ...... i find IG very good, but they of course are only s/b and cfd ..... even if you cannot place your (whole) deal at the prioce indicated, you can easily phone in and they will deal on the spot and/or you can leave a level at which to buy with instruction to part fill, assuming you are happy with that
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