The 2005 general election is nearly upon us. Which way will you vote, and you reasons why. Here is a brief list of the potential contestants, please add your own.


More tax!
Less tax!
Dont know!
Death to all infidels!
Who gives a shit?

The great pretender.

cavman2,

You are more than entitled to your opinion, but please do not use the swear words - I have edited them as they may offend.

Ian

Do you know that many Europeans view the UK as a police state these days.

One nutter tries to set fire to his foot on a plane and it is used as an excuse to take away our civil liberties.
There's certainly something very strange going on!

IanT I apologise for the language and thankyou for editing them, I was on my high horse at the time.

cavman2 - no problem at all.

Ian

Caveman2


1) Selling of the National silver. (as described by a previous Tory Prime Minister)
2) Wasting of the north sea oil and gas resources
3) Destroying the moral by constant changes and increases in administrators and paper work of the
a) Nurses
b) Doctors
c) Hospitals
d) University staff
e) Teachers
f) Police
We are still suffering the consequences of that loss of moral and the loss of cohesive goals in those services. Children, patients, students are suffering and the future generations will suffer the consequences of those reactions. It was a period of those who thought they new better inflicting their ideas on those who did know, not being prepared to listen to those who were practicing.
4) Concentration of self-advancement over societys advancement.
5) Destruction of parts of society. The major being the mining communities. The coal mining industry needed changes and reforms since 1946, but the way it was implanted was by rape. I think that Scargill was not conducive to that change and was as idiotic in his approach, as much as Thatcher was vindictive, uncaring and evil. Many of the changes, which were introduced, were necessary but could have been done in a more humane and less socially destructive ways.
6) Black Wednesday
7) The Sleaze
8) Destruction of index linked Pensions.
9) The running down of the railways before flogging the carcass to the scavengers.
10) I wont go on.
11) O happy days are here again.



Unfortunately, Blair and his cohorts have introduced the most right winged policies in the shortest period I can remember.

Also a major problem I see with recent governments is they are more in preserving their own skins by utilise short term planning, which they think is politically advantageous to themselves, rather than long term planning to deal with the long term serious problems which are gathering.

I think a plague on all their houses is apt.


By the way you should have heard my language when I wrote this!

As an ex labour voter (sorry for having faith in this b'liar bloke) i agree with a lot of what cavman says. But how would it be any different under the tories. if nhs cant improve with more money how the hell are they going to do it with less.

I feel we are to blame, there is culture of when clock goes its time to go home. A culture of delegating and passing the buck. Pass the work to somebody else. Lots of people (not all of course) have no idea of hard days work. As a teacher i see loads out the gate soon as the bell goes (i never leave for at least 2-3 hours after). Police (not all) will look for the easy nab rather than put themselves in the firing line. Doctors cant be bothered to refer you or fill in the paper work. I got to the physio at my hospital 5 mins late so he gave me 10mins instead of 15 said he finished at 4.30 and off he went. If we all put in a fair days work for fair days pay we will all benifit.

The people at the top are responsible for the people below, goverment, managers, heads, police chiefs etc but how often do they admit the blame, RARELY.

Why dont people vote, because there is no choice or little choice.

Well said lads. I'm with you fred.

MS

maxk

Your Guardian article: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1446853,00.html

Socialists even skew that report!

The trial collapsed. Why? The four accused "....may not be fairly treated and their 'Human Rights' may be infringed". They were caught red-handed with the forgeries in their posession.
Quote from report: 'The men were represented by SIX BARRISTERS, who gave their services free'.
Another quote: "There was conclusive evidence that the signatures on the ballot forms matched that of Councillor Islam in 122 cases. Such examples of matching signatures could not have occurred by coincidence, Mr Sukul added."
.........and Mr Sukul was representing the petitioners!
So why on earth did it collapse? The Guardian won't say.
Needless to say, the Conservatives don't benefit from all this skulduggery.

From my experience of my own fairly recent hospital admission I am trying to avoid being readmitted for as long as I possibly can. I was appalled by the standards of nursing, cleaning, ambulance services, and attention of junior doctors, and of general over all care.

One of the major factors I thought was due outside providers and agency nurses. There appeared to be little continuity or acceptance of responsibility and also friction between those employed by the agency and the staff.

Also because of the various reorganisations within the health service there is little influence of the older and sometimes senior medical and nursing staff who are knowledgeable and experience. Many of these are disillusioned and serving out their time having been frustrated in the past when they attempted to inform of consequences of the dictates of the new administrators.

The other main problem is that there is a lack of discipline and even if a sister of a ward gives an instruction it may or not be carried out. The instruction seemingly been dealt with at the whim of the recipient.

I feel it is necessary for any recovery in the hospital service it will be necessary to regain the central hospital board made up of the head of nursing staff, and senior members of the medical and surgical team staff, social and various speciality staff workers who administer the hospital or units via an administrator.

Also, that the body is given authority and support to implement procedure of discipline if instructions are not carried out correctly.

All workers within the hospital should be answerable to the board and in general the hospitals should be the employer of those who work within it.

Again the each department should have its own administrator ie. sister or equivalent with authority to tell the nurses, cleaners etc. what to do and what not to do. Also her duties would be to liase with the doctors, physiotherapists, pharmacists or other caring staff.

The same type of organisation could be applied to all departments

Personally, I would not have liked to prepare food on the ward I recovered in. My wife brought my food in and I was glad to escape as soon as practical.

But much of the decay in this part of the health service was due to the destruction of moral of hospital staff by the implementation of barmy political policies.

The same appears to have happened in schools and is happening in universities.



And now back to the B awful market.

Oh please Fred how in the hell can you blame all of what you said on the Tories, just how long does labour need to make it better Oh Hum.
Everything you say is far worse than it ever was(well except Fox hunting) is not 10 years enough to make a small reversal of what you say was wrong.
As for sleaze the Tories were babies in comparison to this lot, has Tony ever told the truth about anything and his wife deals with ex cons.
The Civil Service is supposed to be neutral but they do Tonies bidding for sexed up dossiers,the BBC was neutral but Alastair Campbell tells them what to do, we have police who are more interested in putting up speed cameras for the government to earn money than policing the streets.
If you think Doctors were worse under the Tories then you ought to here what our Doctor says.
As for society well just look at the crime rate ooops sorry forgot thats the Tories fault, look at the state of the hospitals ooops sorry thats the Tories fault, look at the lack of Dentists ooops sorry thats the Tories fault.
Pensions it is true the Tories gave Companies a holiday on paying in to the Pension Funds, why because the Pension Funds were awash with money, now who taxed them let me guess oh yes of course it was G Brown silly me and also the Pension Funds mismanaged their investments when the market went down.I seem to remember that Boots the Chemist did'nt.
Tony lies on everything he tried to muscle his way into the Queen Mothers(God Bless her) funeral and publicly stated he had'nt but Black Rod knows better he was threatened and his name blackened but he told the truth rather like Dr Kelly who was then hounded to his death in suspicious circumstances.
Railways if it was such a bad idea why did not Labour reverse it probably because before it had been privatised sucsesive Goverments had under funded it and no one seems to want to admit that it will never pay for itself.Its a money pit and will probably always will be and don't forget Tony insisted that trains run after the big derailment even though the Operators insisted that public was put at risk but he was more worried what the voters thought than your safety.
How can you say the present Tories will and won@t do because they are a different team just as Blairs mob were different to Kinnock,Callaghan,Wilson etc
lets take a chance damn it it can't possibly be worse.

The whole lot should change their deportment,manners and dress sense.I've never seen such a load of sloppy unhealthy politicians in my life.Most unprepossessing.Put to shame by the African politicians,for example,who are a satorial experience
The guffawing and lounging about in the House of Commons makes me want to scream.Where is the serious intent to do GOOD?Young,ineffective,nervous MPs don't stand a chance when the hounds are at bay in the lower chamber.
Scrap the present politicians and replace them with children upto the age of eighteen....then we will start to protect our environment,because that is the ONLY thing that counts.

If anybody thinks it will be any different under the tories you must be mad. Jamie oliver and Bob Geldof would do a great job.

Kivver your obsessed how can you make such a statement with the present state we are in with these lying arrogant bullying idiots
Have you a crystal ball or something, if you know the future then please tip us some shares to buy.

17 years under the tories is how i know. Dont talk to me about lying scumbags and going to war on a lie. Remember the Belgrano, sailing away from the falklands and miles outside the exclusion zone. How many ex tory cabinate ministers ended up in JAIL!!!!and they still think they did nothing wrong. Major and his family values whilst do in it to Edwina Curry!! That ugly geezer bonking in his Chelsea shirt and many, many more tails of woe and heartlessness.

I used to think labour would do a good job, i was a passionate supporter and obviously dilusioned, just like you are if you think the tories will do any better. They are all as bad as each other and in it for the power and the glory. Wouldnt it be nice if somebody came along and said we have serious problems in health, crime, schools, immigration, environmental issues, energy and fuel etc and we are going to confront those problems, tell the public the truth (maybe a bit of consensus) and make stark choices and do something about it. We cannot bury our heads in the sand for ever.

Fred1new.

Why should anyone take any order if they don't want to?

After six months of doing what they are told, they graduate!

I.E. They CANNOT be sacked. It's crazy. If they are dismissed, they have the whole State on their side and the employer is the villain.
This absolute shower of a 'Government' have let Socialism run riot throughout the whole system of governance.

Historically we used to get a 70 to 80% turnout at general elections. Last time though it fell from 71% in '97 to 59% in '01 - I'd love to see it fall below 50% this time because then these professional politicians really couldn't pretend they had a mandate to govern.
No wonder TB is encouraging postal ballots and the obvious abuse that goes with it. Ironical though that this is probably yet another reason why many of us have lost faith in the present system and deliberatly won't take part!

Reading the postings boys it looks to me we don't like any of them. It's Hobson's choice.

MS

brianboru.

Every man and his dog knows that postal ballots are wide open to abuse.
The Socialists won't put the block on and stop it. They're the ones that gain.
Is there any recorded history, prior to about 1960, of vote rigging or postal fixing? (Other than maybe 100 years ago).
The four vote fixers in Brum (allegedly ~:-)) )appear to have got away with it. And they were caught red-handed. The voting commissioner said: ' he was not sure that the rights of the defendants were safeguarded'. Wot a load of...........

Bollocks is the word you are looking for perhaps standber. No doubt they will all be voting tory.....:-)

Stanber, Yes. Many many think when the Parlimentary Boundaries were redefined a short time ago. (In years)
Maybe it would be interesting, if proportional representation was introduced.
Many think that it is is a fairer system.