The market seems to be selling-off on the back of limited bad news imo, apart from the dollar that is.

If you can hold your nerve and apart from any short term requirements to offload poor performing stocks, I have a couple!!, my advice would be sit tight. This does not have the feel of the tech(mining!) bubble at all. Difference being there are a lot of good fundamentals, unlike in 2000 when there were a lot of over rated nothing companies.

Just heard on BBC news that Mervyn King has said that it will take months for all of the U.K. banks to report on their exposure to sub-prime debt. It will be intersting to see if the FTSE falls dramatically each time they produce their figures. I can't personally see any of them coming out with good figures; only either 'better or worse than expected'. Each piece of news should see a broker revaluation which should make for intersting times!

interesting quote on marketwatch about US yesterday "plunge prtection team did not want to step in front of a train"

for those calling a bear market the number is 12850 , below will be the bear

nasty reversal this morning and with Dow indications suddenlt dumping 100+ points ...... have heard, but can find no confirmation, that yet another US bank has horrid results due to sub-prime

curiously, $ has suddenly found some strength, but then it could not keep tanking for ever without at least pausing

cynic , wachovia

thanks ..... and that's a big bank too ...... had a nice profit running on FTSE long earlier and only a minor loss on Dow ditto ...... chopped both at a beastly loss, but hey ho ...... have also dumped some other dross from my portfolio, which at best were going nowhere and on balance were much more likely to fall

growl

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Sentiment among consumers continued to slide downhill in November, as views on current conditions sunk to the level since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, according to a survey released Friday by Reuters and the University of Michigan.
Both the consumer sentiment and current conditions indexes reached their second lowest levels in 15 years.
Monthly consumer sentiment hit 75.0 -- below Wall Street's expectations of 79.5 and the prior month's reading of 80.9.
The consumer expectations index for November reached 64.7 -- the lowest level since Hurricane Katrina -- down from 70.1 in October.

bank of america restarted the rot towards the close

BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- More warnings from the nation's largest banks of additional losses on mortgage assets Friday had investors worrying that more shoes have yet to drop in the credit crunch.
Wachovia Corp. (WB:Wachovia Corp
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WB 41.75, +1.45, +3.6%) said in a filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it's anticipating loan losses between $500 million and $600 million in the fourth quarter, citing anticipated loan growth and the impact of continuing credit deterioration in its loan portfolio. The company said its asset-backed CDO portfolio saw a loss of $1.1 billion before taxes in October. See full story.
Bank of America Corp.
BAC 44.81, +1.31, +3.0%) said on Friday that dislocations in the market for collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, will knock the bank's fourth-quarter results.

.......... \"dislocations in the market for collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs,\" .........


What they really mean is they ain\'t, and probably never will be, worth what they paid for them. Most CDOs were AAA-rated earlier this year. ;-))

Not too much in the way of economic data next week, so may possibly see a bit of upward movement.
Tuesday/wednesday sees figures from the U.S. including housing starts, petroleum status report & initial jobless claims.
Quite a few U.K. companies reporting interim & final results, but can't see any of the big financials on the list, so no big shocks to be revealed hopefully.

"but can't see any of the big financials on the list, so no big shocks to be revealed hopefully."

I"ll believe that when I don't see it -):

The message now is SELL off the banks....


$2 trillion lending crunch seen. Goldman Sachs economist says mounting credit losses could force banks to significantly scale back their lending.

LONDON (CNNMoney.com) -- The mortgage wipeout could result in a $2 trillion cutback in lending and have dramatic implications for the U.S. economy, according to Wall Street investment bank Goldman Sachs.

The housing slump is expected to end up costing banks, hedge funds and other lenders an estimated $400 billion as defaults on home loans rise, according to Goldman economist Jan Hatzius.

A $400 billion loss is equal to just about 2.5 percent of U.S. stock market capitalization - or a bad day on Wall Street, he wrote in a commentary on Thursday.

But most stock investors don't react aggressively to capital losses the way banks and other lenders do. A bank that aims to maintain a capital ratio of 10 percent would need to shrink its balance sheet by $10 for every $1 in credit losses, the note said.

That means that if lenders end up suffering just half of the $400 billion in potential credit losses, they could be forced to reduce the amount they loan by $2 trillion. Such a drastic credit crunch could have dire consequences for the economy.

"Even if this occurs gradually, and even if there are some offsets from reduced credit demand and increased lending by other sectors, the drag on economic activity could be substantial," Hatzius wrote.

Wall Street banks and brokerages face pain on two fronts. They hold home loans, as well as securities backed by mortgages. Losses on these holdings are expected to deepen as falling housing prices trigger more defaults.

There are a number of factors that could lessen the lending shock, Hatzius noted. Regulators could encourage financial institutions to keep lending, even in times of stress. Some players could raise additional capital by selling stakes in themselves.

But the overall outlook is bleak, as pressure on lending is likely to raise the risk of "significant weakness" in economic activity, the note said.

Jobless claims post surprising jump.
Newly filed claims for unemployment rose to 339,000 last week, the highest total in a month.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of laid off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits rose by a larger-than-expected amount last week, partly reflecting the impact of the California wildfires and a writers' strike.

The Labor Department said that the number of applications for jobless benefits jumped by 20,000 to 339,000, the highest total in a month.

The increase was double what economists had been expecting.

Labor Department analysts said that the California wildfires boosted the number of jobless claims by about 2,000 layoffs and the writer's strike, which has shut down production on many television programs, was also having an impact.

Over the past three weeks, the wildfires have increased jobless claims by between 5,000 and 6,000, primarily reflecting businesses that have had to close or lay off workers because of disruptions caused by the fires.

The increase in claims occurred after three consecutive weekly declines. Because of that improvement, the four-week average for claims remained unchanged last week at 330,000.

Bad news after bad news...


Industrial production nosedives.
Largest plunge in nine months, led by electricity, gas, auto and housing weakness; rate cut more likely if conditions worsen, analysts say.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Industrial production plunged in October by the largest amount in nine months, reflecting a big drop in utility output and continued troubles in auto and housing-related industries.

The Federal Reserve said that output at the nation's factories, mines and utilities fell by 0.5 percent last month, a much worse outcome than had been expected.

The October decline, the biggest since a similar drop in January, was led by a sharp plunge in output of electricity and natural gas due to warmer-than-normal weather during the month.

Also contributing to the weakness was the third straight drop at auto factories and further weakness in industries producing lumber, appliances and other products tied to housing.

Auto makers are struggling with slumping demand in the face of soaring gasoline prices while housing is enduring its worst slump in more than two decades.

Analysts believe that the economy will slow significantly in the current quarter and the first three months of next year, with many raising the odds for a recession.

The Federal Reserve has cut interest rates twice since September but Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke sought to lower expectations for further rate cuts to boost economic growth. He said that Fed policymakers see the risks of weaker economic growth as roughly balanced with the risks of higher inflation that could be triggered by the latest surge in oil prices. That surge pushed the price of a barrel of crude oil briefly above $98 per barrel last week.

Still, many analysts believe that if the economic slump worsens, the Fed will cut interest rates again, possibly as soon as its next meeting on Dec. 11.

Manufacturing output fell by 0.4 percent in October, the biggest drop since a 0.4 percent decline in August.

Output at the nation's utilities was down 1.6 percent. Mining output, a category that includes oil production, fell 0.6 percent.

The declines left factories, mines and utilities operating at 81.7 percent of capacity last month, down from an operating rate of 82.2 percent in September.

You're a cheery soul, hlyeo! :o)
There was me thinking that at least a week would go by without having to absorb bad news! I think I will stick to my 'fairly safe' mining stocks & hope that precious metal prices stay high.
Good luck to anyone holding NRK. Looks like there may be more bad news to come.

That'll be good news for Cynic then - at last the Rock is falling off its 150p ledge for you!

fell off that some days back ..... 132/133 is current level and slowly drifting south

BRITAINs economy could be heading for its worst year for 15 years. They say growth in 2008 could be weaker than at any time since the long upturn began in 1992. After the Bank of England downgraded its growth forecasts last week and warned of further risks, economists say growth next year will be below 2%, threatening a rise in unemployment. The weakest year of growth in the past 15 years was relatively recently, 2005, and saw the economy expand by only 1.8%. The latest compilation of forecasts from Consensus Economics shows that five forecasting groups already have 2008 predictions below that, and others are revising their forecasts.

If next year is looking so bleak why are the banks going to pay out huge bonuses? If they pay large bonuses then they cannot avoid paying shareholders their share of the profits by way of increased dividends. What is actually going on is bank shares are being shorted massively on the back of the governments totally incompetent mishandling of the NRK debacle.A great deal has been made out of this so called crisis about a small regional bank with only 73 branches and a balance sheet with assets of a mere 100 billion Dont be surprised to see a sudden reversal before long.

The larger banks are probably struggling too. Unlike Northern Rock though they have more options to get emergency funding (instead of going to the bank of England). An article in the Telegraph some time ago noted how activity in the FX market was pointing to possible borrowing in ECB land. LIBOR has jumped again, and I suspect it's only a matter of time before some other banks crawl out of the "credit crisis" woodwork. If not then credit could be tight for years as the banks slowly reduce their exposure.

In my opinion.

Strawbs.