Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Isaacs - this thread is a revelation. Of Fred's double standards.

Isaacs,

If P 1384 is referring to using false passports by agents, I am sure they do.

As can be seen from the Iraq debacle, their value is questionable.

But if they committed murder abroad or home I would hope they would be brought to book.

It is the arrogance of, and dismissive abuse by "Israel" of other countries that is the problem.

The repercussion is that a peaceful resolution of the problems in Middle East is postpone or lessened.

If other countries carried out what is suggested to be an Israeli action then I can imagine the outrage they would show.

Impersonating real identities must surely become de rigueur for any competent spy. With computerised border controls, and passenger lists being reported to anti-terrorism agencies, a made up name and passport number simply wouldn't work.

What is interesting about these passports is that the real people are Israeli residents. One is a handyman working on a farm in Israel who is a British passport holder and is quite upset about the use of his details.

I once lost my passport, but didn't think I had lost my identity and wandered without the passport around Portugal for about a month , as I was still able to recognise myself. (Others may of course have different thoughts!)

Fred clever stuff though you have to admit. Also I am sure the hamas top man who was dispatched in a top class hotel in Dubai no doubt paid for with corrupt money had blood on his hands.
If it was Mossad and dont believe all you read than they very rarely get it wrong. In this case the target was the man who was hit. No innocent bystanders were hurt,unlike the aimless firing of rockets by Hamas in to southern Israel.

Shame. Fred - what do you need to lose in order to lose your identity? And may I help in some way?

G

Yuf.

You seem to me, to be justifying unlawful killing and to abuse of the laws of other countries.

The same may be said, if, or when, Hamas or members of a terrorists group do the same to Israelis, where ever they are in the world.

Doesn't seem very enlightened, or beneficial in the long run.



But you are entitle to your view.

Noone like its identity to be stolen and missused.
Those poor guys cannto travel to many countries from last week, because they are suspects!!

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Yoni Goodman, director of animation for the Academy Award-nominated film, "Waltz with Bashir", talks about the process of making his new animated film on the closure of Gaza together with the human rights group Gisha.

Closed Zone
Despite declarations that it has "disengaged" from the Gaza Strip, Israel maintains control of the Strips overland border crossings, territorial waters, and air space. This includes substantial, albeit indirect, control of the Rafah Crossing.

During the past 18 months, Israel tightened its closure of Gaza, almost completely restricting the passage of goods and people both to and from the Strip.

These policies punish innocent civilians with the goal of exerting pressure on the Hamas government, violating the rights of 1.5 million people who seek only to live ordinary lives to be reunited with family, to pursue higher education, to receive quality medical treatment, and to earn a living.

The effects of the closure were particularly harsh during the military operation of Dec. 2008 - Jan. 2009. For three weeks, Gaza residents had nowhere to flee to escape the bombing.

Gisha - Legal Center for Freedom of Movement calls on the State of Israel to fully open Gaza's crossings and to allow the real victims of the closure - 1.5 million human beings - the freedom of movement necessary to realize their dreams and aspirations.


http://www.closedzone.com/

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What a great article.

For clarification we would like to point out that the article below was,

in fact, reprinted from the Daily Express online edition, which is

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WHY CAN'T THIS COUNTRY FOLLOW ISRAEL'S LEAD?

Friday February 19,2010
By Chris Roycroft-Davis

EXCUSE me for not sending flowers to the funeral of the terrorist the Israelis bumped off in Dubai. Unlike the bleeding hearts in the liberal media Im not shedding any tears.

As military chief of terrorist group Hamas, Mahmoud al Mabhouh had the blood of many Israeli soldiers and civilians on his hands. He was in charge of smuggling rockets and grenades into the Gaza Strip so his murderous gangs could lob them into Israel.

He could hardly complain when a hit squad from Mossad, the Israeli security service, brought his life to a swift end. To say he had it coming is an understatement.

So why such a fuss about his execution? Why has the Foreign office twisted the arm of the Israeli ambassador? And possibly the most crucial question of all: whose side are we on, the terrorists or those with the courage to stand up to them?

The Israelis dont mess about, they dont sit back and take it. You kill one of them and they will kill you. And afterwards they wont explain, they wont apologise, they wont even deny it.

WORLD opinion means nothing what ever London, Washington or Damascus may say the Israelis are convinced that they are right. An eye for an eye is the most basic concept of natural justice, dating back 4,000 years to Babylonian times and is promoted three times in the old Testament. Even in the New Testament Jesus says: Those who take up the sword shall die by the sword.

Did Mahmoud al-Mabhouh reflect on that as he checked in to room 230 at his posh hotel in Dubai? He was the man behind the kidnapping and killing of two Israel soldiers 21 years ago; he had been smuggling arms into the Gaza Strip; he was believed to be in Dubai to buy more weapons from an Iranian dealer. If Mossad agents came to call they were hardly there to inquire after his health.

Unlike Britain, Israel doesnt tolerate an enemy within. It doesnt give those who hate them free housing and welfare handouts. It doesnt let the right of free speech enable them to preach murder on its streets.

Retribution is a vital part of Israels psyche. After the Second World War the Israelis spent half a century tracking down evil Nazis. When Israeli athletes were murdered at the 1972 Olympics their Palestinian killers were hunted around the world and eliminated: one by a bomb in his bed, another by a booby-trapped phone.

Who can forget the electrifying raid on Entebbe in 1976 when Israeli special forces stormed a hijacked airliner, killed the terrorists and freed all but three of the hostages? It was a salutary lesson to the world.

Youd think that Britain of all countries would understand the need to pull no punches with those who have sworn to be your enemies. Thats what the SAS did in Northern Ireland for more than 30 years, taking out IRA members before they could perpetrate further outrages. It is what our special forces did in Iraq and are doubtless doing in Afghanistan.

It is what the SAS should be doing today in Somalia, where British yacht couple Paul and Rachel Chandler are being held by pirates. Can you imagine the Israelis allowing two of their people to suffer so long in some fly-blown African hellhole?

Israel has no reason to be ashamed of its actions. As Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman points out: our security activity is conducted according to the very clear, very cautious and responsible rules of the game. rule No 1 of course in any security activity is kill or be killed.

Where Britain has a right to be upset, however, is the way the Israelis have carried out ID theft on the passports of six of our citizens. Its not the first time theyve done it and last time they promised they wouldnt do it again.

One Foreign office source says Britain could cut ties with Mossad if the Israelis have been found to be acting against British interests. You might think executing the would terrorist might be precisely in our interests but the career diplomats take a loftier view.

Gordon Brown says Israel has questions to answer about nicking our passports but the implication is that Britain wouldnt be in the least bit put out if the Israeli hit squad had used fake documents from Libya, Japan, Peru in fact anywhere other than Britain.

BROWN even has the cheek to spout that a British passport is an important part of being British. This from a Prime Minister whose policy was to welcome millions of immigrants so he could socially engineer the country to be less British and more likely to vote Labour.

We should take no lessons either from the BBC, which for too long refused to call Hamas suicide bombers terrorists and hid behind weasel words like radicals and militants. Its anti-Israel bias is clear today when BBC News pontificates that Israel may have scored a costly own goal by using British identities for what it calls nefarious activities.

Make no mistake, I think a British passport is the most valuable document in the world and I dont like it being used to gain illegal entry to another country. But my top priority will always be security and the world is undoubtedly more secure now Hamas has lost another murderer from its ranks.













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You've done it now. Fred will be sharpening his penis....umm sorry pencil ready to write is damning riposte.

Thank you for clarifying Israel's position,

I wonder if Palestinians, Arabs and others will be tracking down, bringing to Justice or murdering Israelis and members of Mossad (Extension of Israeli government) over the next fifty years.

Personally, I would be ashamed of the morality behind values accepted in the above.

For a decent future World society, International laws of common decency should prevail.

The actions which the Israeli government are using are seen to be primitive and do not advance their cause.

They are a small nation and the continuing abuse of the rights of others and the laws of others will probably be catastrophic in the future.

Many within Jews and Israelis within and without Israel share the views I have just written.

To prevent the waste of more and more blood I think it is time the Israeli government reviews its policies.

Issacs,

Are you also suffering from "Penis envy"?

I thought one on a board was enough, but perhaps in your case, I am making a mistake and for you it would the peanut envy.

Why would I be envious of your peanut?

Isaacs,

I think you would be envious of anybody with something even as small as a peanut.

Contemplating anything bigger would be a full time job for you.


Perhaps, you could ask Ashcroft for a loan which would allow you to have a transplant.

If you go for one, ask the surgeon to pop one in your skull at the same time.

There should be plenty of room for one or more and I they could be of help to you when making a response!