Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fahel,

I think you have clarified part of the Middle East problems.

You can see why some are attempting to close the thread.


Isaacs,

My response to your "quip" was at the level you define.

From recollection, previously you generally stuck to the argument.

Have a nice day.

Interesting questions, fahel - especially when you hold a mirror up to them.

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East would you trust with nuclear weapons?

Question: Which countries in the Middle East routinely violate the international borders of other sovereign states worldwide with suicide bombers?

Question: What countries in the Middle East have for years sent assassins into other countries to kill innocent civilians (apractice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?

Question: In which countries in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers continually denied that unarmed prisoners of war were executed, despite the rest of the world knowing they were?

Question: What countries in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

Question: What countries in the Middle East created hundreds of thousands of exiles and refuse to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?

Question: What countries in the Middle East refuse to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?

Question: What countries in the Middle East sponsor worldwide terrorism such as blowing up an American diplomatic facilities, attacking U.S. ships, airline terrorism, london tube bombings, killing and wounding tens of thousands of civilians?


Question: What Middle East countries allows murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?


Question: Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted an office block in new york and killed innocent men, women, and especially children?

Question: Which Hamas in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?

Fred1new - 04 Mar 2010 09:20 - 1412 of 1413

Isaacs,

My response to your "quip" was at the level you define.

From recollection, previously you generally stuck to the argument.

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Unlike yourself Fred who from the moment you started posting on here resorted to personal abuse whenever somebody disagreed with you. Have a look in the mirror.

Isaacs,

Check back to the beginning and review the "tone" of remarks referring to me.


PS. Do read them all!

If there's any from me suggesting you're a twat, Fred, then I stand by them.

Too busy Fred. Where have I heard that before?

Gausie, will you put the answers to your questions.

Methinks this thread will get the chop afore long.

Indeed, DelBoy. The resident board loonie isn't exactly the best of adverts for am.

Isaacs,

Well, if you ever do find time to look at this at this, or other threads, you will find that I have in general responded courteously to those who have be courteous to me, while agreeing or disagreeing with their arguments or propositions which they advanced.

Sometimes, the arguments presented by others advance my knowledge, sometimes modifying my opinion or position.

Again, while I have no objection to banter in general, there are limits, and when it is personally abusive and does not relate to the subject under consideration, I think retaliation in the same vein is justifiable.

However, generally, I see little point in attempting to debate with those who preferred method of discussion is one of abuse and personal denigration.

I respect the right of another individual to advance, hold, or believe different opinions to myself, or any of any other person.

I may think that they hold false positions, but consider they have a right to hold them, and also a right to question my opinions or arguments.

But, I am entitled to hold a contrary opinions and the right to persist in holding them.

On this thread and others, there often appears to be a concerted effort by a small group of individuals to suffocate any who dissent with the views held by them.

I accept that my humour may not to the liking of some, but within humour there is usually an element of pain.

Fred Please, I'M Filling Up Here!

Perhaps Mossad will intervene.

.CC. I tend to think you are already full up.

Isaacs,

Are Mossad friends of yours?

>>fail

It's not a quiz. Answers are self evident.

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion


The reality of Israel's current "humanitarian policiies" and ignoring of world opinion have yet to sink in,.


Interest for some, No need to comment if they are not!

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Joe Biden delivers 'hardest truth' in Israel

The Israeli press has been extremely critical of the Netanyahu government for causing consternation to the American vice president by announcing, less than 24 hours after his arrival, a plan to approve construction of 1,600 new Jewish homes in contested East Jerusalem. But observers say its too soon to tell if the episode will result in Netanyahus being any more willing to reduce provocative actions in East Jerusalem that are widely condemned by the U.S. and the rest of the world but that are supported by much of the Israeli public and Netanyahus political constituency.

In what was designed as the public capstone of his visit, a speech at Tel Aviv University Thursday, Biden reiterated his criticism of the governments action, which, he said, undermined the trust required for productive negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34300.html#ixzz0hxKEBYSN

Hollywood Basterds

http://vodpod.com/watch/3093926-hollywood-basterds

Sorry guys I'm 100% in agreement with "Fred1new" on this one. All people on here opposing his views are probably from Israel. LOL!

Well done Fred1new on this one not many out there who would stick their head out and speak...what you have spoken.

The real enemies of this world are the zionists who are occupying land illegally and continuously get away with violating UN resolutions with the help of the Americans veto yielding power.

Double standards all over with the nukes yet they have a problem with Iran on having nuclear power in accordance with NPT...yet the Israelis are not signed upto to NPT. Hypochrites I say.

Azhar,

Thank you.

What surprised me is that a group of people who in the past have been abused and repeat "never again" have learnt little.

Aware of the own abuses to themselves by other groups, but prepared to advantage themselves by abusing those belonging to other groups, or having a different religion.

It is short sighted and I think America administration is beginning to tire of the Israeli administration's macho stances.

The middle east states are becoming more politically and economically wiser and organised. They are also beginning to be more supportive of each other. America is losing its Economic and Military position in the world and is conscious of the change.

The military interventions in different parts of the world is beginning to "cripple" America.

Wars end, when either the warring parties runs out of bodies, or the economy fails to support them.

I think it is only the blind who can't see outcome of Israel's behaviour.

This is a very interesting thing for those who don't understand how it could have happened.

It is along the lines of the Milgram experiment and the Stanford prison experiment, or even, perhaps, the Abu Ghraib experiment?

Torture 'Game Show' Draws Nazi Comparison

March 14, 2010

Op-Ed Columnist

Driving Drunk in Jerusalem
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

I am a big Joe Biden fan. The vice president is an indefatigable defender of U.S. interests abroad. So it pains me to say that on his recent trip to Israel, when Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahus government rubbed his nose in some new housing plans for contested East Jerusalem, the vice president missed a chance to send a powerful public signal: He should have snapped his notebook shut, gotten right back on Air Force Two, flown home and left the following scribbled note behind: Message from America to the Israeli government: Friends dont let friends drive drunk. And right now, youre driving drunk. You think you can embarrass your only true ally in the world, to satisfy some domestic political need, with no consequences? You have lost total contact with reality. Call us when youre serious. We need to focus on building our country.

I think that rather than fuming and making up would have sent a very useful message for two reasons. First, what the Israelis did played right into a question a lot of people are asking about the Obama team: how tough are these guys? The last thing the president needs, at a time when he is facing down Iran and China not to mention Congress is to look like Americas most dependent ally can push him around.

And second, Israel needs a wake-up call. Continuing to build settlements in the West Bank, and even housing in disputed East Jerusalem, is sheer madness. Yasir Arafat accepted that Jewish suburbs there would be under Israeli sovereignty in any peace deal that would also make Arab parts of East Jerusalem the Palestinian capital. Israels planned housing expansion now raises questions about whether Israel will ever be willing to concede a Palestinian capital in Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem a big problem.

Israel has already bitten off plenty of the West Bank. If it wants to remain a Jewish democracy, its only priority now should be striking a deal with the Palestinians that would allow it to swap those settlement blocs in the West Bank occupied by Jews for an equal amount of land from Israel for the Palestinians and then reap the benefits economic and security of ending the conflict.

Unfortunately, that is not what happened last week. For nine months now, Americas Middle East special envoy, George Mitchell, has been trying to find a way to get any kind of peace talks going between Israelis and Palestinians. The Palestinians dont trust Netanyahu, and Netanyahu has serious doubts as to whether the divided Palestinian leadership can deliver.

Nevertheless, Mitchell was eventually able to persuade the two sides to agree on proximity talks the Palestinians would sit in Ramallah and the Israelis in Jerusalem and Mitchell would shuttle 30 minutes between them. After a decade of direct talks, this is how far things have fallen.

Mitchells and Netanyahus aides struck an informal deal: If America got talks going, there would be no announcements of buildings in East Jerusalem, nothing to embarrass the Palestinians and force them to walk. Netanyahu agreed, U.S. officials say, but made clear he couldnt commit to anything publicly.

So what happened? Biden arrived the day after the proximity talks started and out came an announcement from Israels Interior Ministry that Israel had just approved plans for 1,600 new housing units in Arab East Jerusalem.

Netanyahu said he was blindsided. Its probably true in the narrow sense. The move seems to have been part of a competition between two of Netanyahus right-wing Sephardi ministers from the religious Shas Party over who can be the greater champion of building homes for Sephardi orthodox Jews in East Jerusalem. It is a measure of how much Israel takes our support for granted and how out of touch the Israeli religious right is with Americas strategic needs.

Biden a real friend of Israels was quoted as telling his Israeli interlocutors: What you are doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and endangers regional peace.

This whole fracas also distracts us from the potential of this moment: Only a right-wing prime minister, like Netanyahu, can make a deal over the West Bank; Netanyahus actual policies on the ground there have helped Palestinians grow their economy and put in place their own rebuilt security force, which is working with the Israeli Army to prevent terrorism; Palestinian leaders Mahmoud Abbas and Salam Fayyad are as genuine and serious about working toward a solution as any Israel can hope to find; Hamas has halted its attacks on Israel from Gaza; with the Sunni Arabs obsessed over the Iran threat, their willingness to work with Israel has never been higher, and the best way to isolate Iran is to take the Palestinian conflict card out of Tehrans hand.

In sum, there may be a real opportunity here if Netanyahu chooses to seize it. The Israeli leader needs to make up his mind whether he wants to make history or once again be a footnote to it.