Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred Please, I'M Filling Up Here!

Perhaps Mossad will intervene.

.CC. I tend to think you are already full up.

Isaacs,

Are Mossad friends of yours?

>>fail

It's not a quiz. Answers are self evident.

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion


The reality of Israel's current "humanitarian policiies" and ignoring of world opinion have yet to sink in,.


Interest for some, No need to comment if they are not!

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Joe Biden delivers 'hardest truth' in Israel

The Israeli press has been extremely critical of the Netanyahu government for causing consternation to the American vice president by announcing, less than 24 hours after his arrival, a plan to approve construction of 1,600 new Jewish homes in contested East Jerusalem. But observers say its too soon to tell if the episode will result in Netanyahus being any more willing to reduce provocative actions in East Jerusalem that are widely condemned by the U.S. and the rest of the world but that are supported by much of the Israeli public and Netanyahus political constituency.

In what was designed as the public capstone of his visit, a speech at Tel Aviv University Thursday, Biden reiterated his criticism of the governments action, which, he said, undermined the trust required for productive negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34300.html#ixzz0hxKEBYSN

Hollywood Basterds

http://vodpod.com/watch/3093926-hollywood-basterds

Sorry guys I'm 100% in agreement with "Fred1new" on this one. All people on here opposing his views are probably from Israel. LOL!

Well done Fred1new on this one not many out there who would stick their head out and speak...what you have spoken.

The real enemies of this world are the zionists who are occupying land illegally and continuously get away with violating UN resolutions with the help of the Americans veto yielding power.

Double standards all over with the nukes yet they have a problem with Iran on having nuclear power in accordance with NPT...yet the Israelis are not signed upto to NPT. Hypochrites I say.

Azhar,

Thank you.

What surprised me is that a group of people who in the past have been abused and repeat "never again" have learnt little.

Aware of the own abuses to themselves by other groups, but prepared to advantage themselves by abusing those belonging to other groups, or having a different religion.

It is short sighted and I think America administration is beginning to tire of the Israeli administration's macho stances.

The middle east states are becoming more politically and economically wiser and organised. They are also beginning to be more supportive of each other. America is losing its Economic and Military position in the world and is conscious of the change.

The military interventions in different parts of the world is beginning to "cripple" America.

Wars end, when either the warring parties runs out of bodies, or the economy fails to support them.

I think it is only the blind who can't see outcome of Israel's behaviour.

This is a very interesting thing for those who don't understand how it could have happened.

It is along the lines of the Milgram experiment and the Stanford prison experiment, or even, perhaps, the Abu Ghraib experiment?

Torture 'Game Show' Draws Nazi Comparison

March 14, 2010

Op-Ed Columnist

Driving Drunk in Jerusalem
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

I am a big Joe Biden fan. The vice president is an indefatigable defender of U.S. interests abroad. So it pains me to say that on his recent trip to Israel, when Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahus government rubbed his nose in some new housing plans for contested East Jerusalem, the vice president missed a chance to send a powerful public signal: He should have snapped his notebook shut, gotten right back on Air Force Two, flown home and left the following scribbled note behind: Message from America to the Israeli government: Friends dont let friends drive drunk. And right now, youre driving drunk. You think you can embarrass your only true ally in the world, to satisfy some domestic political need, with no consequences? You have lost total contact with reality. Call us when youre serious. We need to focus on building our country.

I think that rather than fuming and making up would have sent a very useful message for two reasons. First, what the Israelis did played right into a question a lot of people are asking about the Obama team: how tough are these guys? The last thing the president needs, at a time when he is facing down Iran and China not to mention Congress is to look like Americas most dependent ally can push him around.

And second, Israel needs a wake-up call. Continuing to build settlements in the West Bank, and even housing in disputed East Jerusalem, is sheer madness. Yasir Arafat accepted that Jewish suburbs there would be under Israeli sovereignty in any peace deal that would also make Arab parts of East Jerusalem the Palestinian capital. Israels planned housing expansion now raises questions about whether Israel will ever be willing to concede a Palestinian capital in Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem a big problem.

Israel has already bitten off plenty of the West Bank. If it wants to remain a Jewish democracy, its only priority now should be striking a deal with the Palestinians that would allow it to swap those settlement blocs in the West Bank occupied by Jews for an equal amount of land from Israel for the Palestinians and then reap the benefits economic and security of ending the conflict.

Unfortunately, that is not what happened last week. For nine months now, Americas Middle East special envoy, George Mitchell, has been trying to find a way to get any kind of peace talks going between Israelis and Palestinians. The Palestinians dont trust Netanyahu, and Netanyahu has serious doubts as to whether the divided Palestinian leadership can deliver.

Nevertheless, Mitchell was eventually able to persuade the two sides to agree on proximity talks the Palestinians would sit in Ramallah and the Israelis in Jerusalem and Mitchell would shuttle 30 minutes between them. After a decade of direct talks, this is how far things have fallen.

Mitchells and Netanyahus aides struck an informal deal: If America got talks going, there would be no announcements of buildings in East Jerusalem, nothing to embarrass the Palestinians and force them to walk. Netanyahu agreed, U.S. officials say, but made clear he couldnt commit to anything publicly.

So what happened? Biden arrived the day after the proximity talks started and out came an announcement from Israels Interior Ministry that Israel had just approved plans for 1,600 new housing units in Arab East Jerusalem.

Netanyahu said he was blindsided. Its probably true in the narrow sense. The move seems to have been part of a competition between two of Netanyahus right-wing Sephardi ministers from the religious Shas Party over who can be the greater champion of building homes for Sephardi orthodox Jews in East Jerusalem. It is a measure of how much Israel takes our support for granted and how out of touch the Israeli religious right is with Americas strategic needs.

Biden a real friend of Israels was quoted as telling his Israeli interlocutors: What you are doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and endangers regional peace.

This whole fracas also distracts us from the potential of this moment: Only a right-wing prime minister, like Netanyahu, can make a deal over the West Bank; Netanyahus actual policies on the ground there have helped Palestinians grow their economy and put in place their own rebuilt security force, which is working with the Israeli Army to prevent terrorism; Palestinian leaders Mahmoud Abbas and Salam Fayyad are as genuine and serious about working toward a solution as any Israel can hope to find; Hamas has halted its attacks on Israel from Gaza; with the Sunni Arabs obsessed over the Iran threat, their willingness to work with Israel has never been higher, and the best way to isolate Iran is to take the Palestinian conflict card out of Tehrans hand.

In sum, there may be a real opportunity here if Netanyahu chooses to seize it. The Israeli leader needs to make up his mind whether he wants to make history or once again be a footnote to it.

Lighten up guys-lets have a nice Jewish joke-after all they are always funny.


Jewish Sex
A modern Orthodox Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding meets with their rabbi for counseling.





The rabbi asks if they have any last questions
before they leave.







The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition
for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together, like the rest of the world."

"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest.
Men and women always dance separately."

"So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"

"No," answered the rabbi.... "It's forbidden."

"Well, okay," says the man, "What about sex?
Can we finally have sex?"

"Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah a good thing within marriage, to have children!"








"What about different positions?" asks the man

"No problem," says the rabbi "It's a mitzvah!"

"Woman on top?" the man asks.

"Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"

"Doggy style?"

"Sure! Another mitzvah!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! A mitzvah!"

"Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil,
a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a porno video?"

"You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No." says the rabbi."

"Why not?" asks the man.

"Could lead to dancing!"

As I forecast in early 2009 that if Israel continue its policies to the Middle East problems they would lose any sympathy they had

It is beginning to happen.


From this just in.




U.N. chief joins condemnation of Israel's housing plans
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed his own call of condemnation Tuesday in response to Israel's recent announcement that it plans to construct new housing settlements in contentious East Jerusalem.
"We are deeply concerned over developments on the ground," the secretary-general told reporters in a brief news conference. "And we condemn the government of Israel's plan for 1,600 new housing units in Jerusalem."
Ban, calling for "restraint and calm by all," reiterated the disapproval expressed by many in the international community following the announcement by Israel last week.
"As I have said before, I say again directly and without equivocation: Settlements are illegal under international law," Ban explained.
Echoing the disapproval expressed last week by the diplomatic coalition known as the Quartet on the Middle East, Ban said Israel's settlement expansion plans have "cast a very negative atmosphere" over the road to peace with the Palestinians.
"This is not desirable. I condemn in my capacity as Secretary-General of the United Nations, and the Quartet as a group also condemns this," he said.
The Quartet is comprised of the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair serves as the alliance's current special envoy. Last week the group released a statement after the settlement announcement, condemning "Israel's decision to advance planning for new housing units in East Jerusalem."

Last update - 10:19 23/03/2010
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to AIPAC conference
By Haaretz Service

Members of the Obama Administration,
Senators,
Members of Congress,
Defense Minister Ehud Barak
Minister Uzi Landau
Ambassador Michael Oren,
Howard Kohr, David Victor, Lee Rosenberg Leaders of AIPAC,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

As the world faces monumental challenges, I know that Israel and America will face them together.

We stand together because we are fired by the same ideals and inspired by the same dream - the dream of achieving security, prosperity and peace.
This dream seemed impossible to many Jews a century ago.

This month, my father celebrated his one-hundredth birthday. When he was born, the Czars ruled Russia, the British Empire spanned the globe and the Ottomans ruled the Middle East.

During his lifetime, all of these empires collapsed, others rose and fell, and the Jewish destiny swung from despair to a new hope ? the rebirth of the Jewish state.

For the first time in two thousand years, a sovereign Jewish people could defend itself against attack.

Before that, we were subjected to unremitting savagery: the bloodletting of the Middle Ages, the expulsion of the Jews from England, Spain and Portugal, the wholesale slaughter of the Jews of the Ukraine, the pogroms in Russia, culminating in the greatest evil of all - the Holocaust.

The founding of Israel did not stop the attacks on the Jews. It merely gave the Jews the power to defend themselves against those attacks.

My friends,

I want to tell you about the day when I fully understood the depth of this transformation.

It was the day I met Shlomit Vilmosh over forty years ago.

I served with her son, Haim, in the same elite unit in the army.

During a battle in 1969, Haim was killed by a burst of gunfire.

At his funeral, I discovered that Haim was born shortly after his mother and father had been freed from the death camps of Europe.

If Haim had been born two years before, this daring young officer would have been tossed into the ovens like a million other Jewish children.
Haim?s mother Shlomit told me that though she was in great anguish, she was proud.

At least, she said, my son fell wearing the uniform of a Jewish soldier defending the Jewish state.

Time and again the Israeli army was forced to repel attacks of much larger enemies determined to destroy us.

When Egypt and Jordan recognized that we could not be defeated in battle, they embraced the path of peace.

Yet there are those who continue the assault against the Jewish state and who openly call for our destruction.

They seek to achieve this goal through terrorism, missile attacks and most recently by developing atomic weapons.

The ingathering of the Jewish people to Israel has not deterred these fanatics.

In fact, it has only whetted their appetite.

Iran's rulers say "Israel is a one bomb country." The head of Hezbollah says: "If all the Jews gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

My friends,

These are unpleasant facts, but they are the facts.

The greatest threat to any living organism or nation is not to recognize danger in time.

Seventy-five years ago, many leaders around the world put their heads in the sand. Untold millions died in the war that followed.

Ultimately, two of history's greatest leaders helped turn the tide.


Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill helped save the world. But they were too late to save six million of my own people.

The future of the Jewish state can never depend on the goodwill of even the greatest of men.

Israel must always reserve the right to defend itself.

Today, an unprecedented threat to humanity looms large.


A radical Iranian regime armed with nuclear weapons could bring an end to the era of nuclear peace the world has enjoyed for the last 65 years.

Such a regime could provide nuclear weapons to terrorists and might even be tempted to use them. Our world would never be the same.

Iran's brazen bid to develop nuclear weapons is first and foremost a threat to Israel, but it is also a grave threat to the region and to the world.

Israel expects the international community to act swiftly and decisively to thwart this danger.

But we will always reserve the right to self-defense.

We must also defend ourselves against lies and vilifications.

Throughout history, the slanders against the Jewish people always preceded the physical assaults against us and were used to justify these assaults.

The Jews were called the well-poisoners of mankind, the fomenters of instability, the source of all evil under the sun.

Unfortunately, these libelous attacks against the Jewish people also did not end with the creation of Israel.

For a time, overt anti-Semitism was held in check by the shame and shock of the Holocaust. But only for a time.

In recent decades the hatred of the Jews has reemerged with increasing force, but with an insidious twist.

It is not merely directed at the Jewish people but increasingly at the Jewish state.

In its most pernicious form, it argues that if only Israel did not exist, many of the world's problems would go away.

My friends,

Does this mean that Israel is above criticism? Of course not.

Israel, like any democracy, has its imperfections but we strive to correct them through open debate and scrutiny.

Israel has independent courts, the rule of law, a free press and a vigorous parliamentary debate ? believe me, it's vigorous.

I know that members of Congress refer to one another as my distinguished colleague from Wisconsin or the distinguished Senator from California.

In Israel, members of Knesset don't speak of their distinguished colleagues from Kiryat Shmona and Be'er Sheva. We say ? well, you don't want to know what we say....

In Israel, self-criticism is a way of life, and we accept that criticism is part of the conduct of international affairs.

But Israel should be judged by the same standards applied to all nations, and allegations against Israel must be grounded in fact.

One allegation that is not is the attempt to describe the Jews as foreign colonialists in their own homeland, one of the great lies of modern times.

In my office, I have a signet ring that was loaned to me by Israel's Department of Antiquities. The ring was found next to the Western wall, but it dates back some 2,800 years ago, two hundred years after King David turned Jerusalem into our capital city.

The ring is a seal of a Jewish official, and inscribed on it in Hebrew is his name: Netanyahu. Netanyahu Ben-Yoash. That's my last name. My first name, Benjamin, dates back 1,000 years earlier to Benjamin, the son of Jacob.

One of Benjamin's brothers was named Shimon, which also happens to be the first name of my good friend, Shimon Peres, the President of Israel.

Nearly 4,000 years ago, Benjamin, Shimon and their ten brothers roamed the hills of Judea.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel cannot be denied.

The connection between the Jewish people and Jerusalem cannot be denied.

The Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 year ago and the Jewish people are building Jerusalem today.

Jerusalem is not a settlement. It is our capital. In Jerusalem, my government has maintained the policies of all Israeli governments since 1967, including those led by Golda Meir, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin.

Today, nearly a quarter of a million Jews, almost half the city's Jewish population, live in neighborhoods that are just beyond the 1949 armistice lines.

All these neighborhoods are within a five-minute drive from the Knesset.

They are an integral and inextricable part of modern Jerusalem.

Everyone knows that these neighborhoods will be part of Israel in any peace settlement.

Therefore, building in them in no way precludes the possibility of a two-state solution.

Nothing is rarer in the Middle East than tolerance for the beliefs of others.

It's only under Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem that religious freedom for all faiths has been guaranteed.

While we cherish our homeland, we also recognize that Palestinians live there as well.

We don't want to govern them. We don't want to rule them. We want them as neighbors, living in security, dignity and peace.

Yet Israel is unjustly accused of not wanting peace with the Palestinians. Nothing could be further from the truth.

My government has consistently shown its commitment to peace in both word and deed.

From day one, we called on the Palestinian Authority to begin peace negotiations without delay.

I make that same call today. President Abbas, come and negotiate peace.

Leaders who truly want peace should sit down face-to-face.

Of course, the United States can help the parties solve their problems but it cannot solve the problems for the parties.

Peace cannot be imposed from the outside. It can only come through direct negotiations in which we develop mutual trust.

Last year, I spoke of a vision of peace in which a demilitarized Palestinian state recognizes the Jewish state.

Just as the Palestinians expect Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, we expect the Palestinians to recognize the Jewish state.

My government has removed hundreds of roadblocks, barriers and checkpoints facilitating Palestinian movement.

As a result, we have helped spur a fantastic boom in the Palestinian economy (Coffee Shops, restaurants, businesses, even multiplex theaters)

And we announced an unprecedented moratorium on new Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria.

This is what my government has done for peace. What has the Palestinian Authority done for peace?

Well, they have placed preconditions on peace talks, waged a relentless international campaign to undermine Israel's legitimacy, and promoted the notorious Goldstone report that falsely accuses Israel of war crimes.

In fact, they're doing right now in the UN in the grotesquely misnamed UN Human Rights Council.

I want to thank President Obama and the United States Congress for their efforts to thwart this libel, and I ask for your continued support.

Regrettably, the Palestinian Authority has also continued incitement against Israel.

A few days ago, a public square near Ramallah was named after a terrorist who murdered 37 Israeli civilians, including 13 children. The Palestinian Authority did nothing to prevent it.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Peace requires reciprocity. It cannot be a one-way street in which only Israel makes concessions.

Israel stands ready to make the compromises necessary for peace.

But we expect the Palestinians to compromise as well.

But one thing I will never compromise on is our security.

It is hard to explain Israel's security predicament to someone living in a country 500 times the size of Israel. But imagine the entire United States compressed to the size of New Jersey.

Next, put on New Jersey's northern border an Iranian terror proxy called Hezbollah which fires 6,000 rockets into that small state.

Then imagine that this terror proxy has amassed 60,000 more missiles to fire at you.

Wait. I'm not finished. Now imagine on New Jersey's southern border another Iranian terror proxy called Hamas.

It too fires 6,000 rockets into your territory while smuggling even more lethal weapons into its territory.

Do you think you would feel a little bit vulnerable? Do you think you would expect some understanding from the international community when you defend yourselves?

A peace agreement with the Palestinians must include effective security arrangements on the ground.

Israel must make sure that what happened in Lebanon and Gaza doesn't happen again in the West Bank.

Israel's main security problem with Lebanon is not its border with Lebanon. It is Lebanon's border with Syria, through which Iran and Syria smuggle tens of thousands of weapons to Hezbollah.

Israel's main security problem with Gaza is not its border with Gaza. It's Gaza's border with Egypt, under which nearly 1,000 tunnels have been dug to smuggle weapons.

Experience has shown that only an Israeli presence on the ground can prevent weapons smuggling.

This is why a peace agreement with the Palestinians must include an Israeli presence on the eastern border of a future Palestinian state.

If peace with the Palestinians proves its durability over time, we can review security arrangements.

We are prepared to take risks for peace, but we will not be reckless with the lives of our people and the life of the one and only Jewish state.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The people of Israel want a future in which our children no longer experience the horrors of war.

We want a future in which Israel realizes its full potential as a global center of technology, anchored in its values and living in peace with all its neighbors.

I envision an Israel that can dedicate even more of its creative and scientific talents to help solve some of the great challenges of the day, foremost of which is finding a clean and affordable substitute for gasoline.

And when we find that alternative, we will stop transferring hundreds of billions of dollars to radical regimes that support terror.

I am confident that in pursuing these goals, we have the enduring friendship of the United States of America, the greatest nation on earth.

The American people have always shown their courage, their generosity and their decency.

From one President to the next, from one Congress to the next, America's commitment to Israel's security has been unwavering.

In the last year, President Obama and the U.S. Congress have given meaning to that commitment by providing Israel with military assistance, by enabling joint military exercises and by working on joint missile defense.

So too, Israel has been a staunch and steadfast ally of the United States.

As Vice President Biden said, America has no better friend in the community of nations than Israel.

For decades, Israel served as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism. Today it is helping America stem the tide of militant Islam.

Israel shares with America everything we know about fighting a new kind of enemy.

We share intelligence. We cooperate in countless other ways that I am not at liberty to divulge. This cooperation is important for Israel and is helping save American lives.

Our soldiers and your soldiers fight against fanatic enemies that loathe our common values.

In the eyes of these fanatics, we are you and you are us.

To them, the only difference is that you are big and we are small. You are the Great Satan and we are the Little Satan.

This fanaticism's hatred of Western civilization predates Israel's establishment by over one thousand years.

Militant Islam does not hate the West because of Israel. It hates Israel because of the West -

Because it sees Israel as an outpost of freedom and democracy that prevents them from overrunning the Middle East.

That is why when Israel stands against its enemies, it stands against America's enemies.

President Harry Truman, the first leader to recognize Israel, said this:

"I have faith in Israel and I believe that it has a glorious future - not just as another sovereign nation, but as an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization."

My Friends,

We are gathered here today because we believe in those common ideals.

And because of those ideals, I am certain that Israel and America will always stand together.

I would think/hope that most of the above 1434, was for home consumption.

The remark Seventy-five years ago, many leaders around the world put their heads in the sand. Untold millions died in the war that followed.

I hope that this is not repeated in the Middle East.

The Jews are not the only group who has been persecuted, but themselves are now becoming the persecutors.

As is being pointed out more and more by world opinion.

Ignore it, if you wish.

But the arrogance of some of the Jewish/Israeli leadership is astounding.

Are we to expect this level of respect of International and National Laws?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7503921/Britain-to-expel-Mossads-man-in-London-over-Dubai-assassination.html

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Britain to expel Mossad's man in London over Dubai assassination
Mossad's representative at the Israel embassy in London is being expelled over the use of cloned British passports in the killing of a senior Hamas commander in Dubai, the Telegraph has learned.

By Rosa Prince, Political Correspondent
Published: 10:43AM GMT 23 Mar 2010


Foreign Secretary David Miliband is due to address Parliament on Tuesday afternoon on the issue.

A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment ahead of the statement, says Britain will expel one Israeli diplomat. Sources disclosed that the individual is Mossad's London representative.

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Ron Proser, the Israeli Ambassador to London, was summoned to the Foreign Office on Monday to be told the results of an inquiry into the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, whose body was discovered in a luxury Dubai hotel room on January 20.

Several members of the team suspected of killing him were found to be travelling on passports cloned from documents belonging to British citizens living in Israel. Other passports had been stolen from Irish, German,
Australian and French citizens.

A senior Israeli diplomat would be expelled as a mark of the anger within the Government that British passport holders had been put at risk as a result of the operation.

Mr Miliband has pulled out of an event at the Israeli Embassy this afternoon, where he was due to be the guest of honour at a "housewarming party" to mark the the opening of its new building in Kensington, central London.

A ministerial statement to be made to Parliament on Tuesday will formally name the Israeli security services as responsible for the cloning of up to 15 British passports, which were copied after being taken away by airport officials.

The statement will say that it proved impossible to confirm definitively whether Mossad, the Israeli secret intelligence service, was responsible for the operation, with suspicion also resting on the Military Intelligence Directorate.

But the probe had determined for certain that the passports were cloned when British citizens passed through airports on their way into Israel, with officials taking them away for checks which lasted around 20 minutes.

Foreign Office sources expressed frustration that there was little more that could be done to punish Israel over the affair.

Etc..

Who cares if the UK expels a diplomat-BIG DEAL- I am sure Israel would accept this as a trade off against the life of a Hizbollah mass murderer.

I for one am glad they did get the murdering son of a B.

Nobody is going to defend the Jewish people-only the Jews themselves. And you know what Fred-your constant harping on about the good the bad and the ugly i.e. Israel carries no weight with me.

Dont blame Israel for all that is wrong with the world.

Politics stink and politicians are worse-look at our own backyard today to see how corrupt cabinet ministers are.

Then many may hope the same standards of law and action will be applied
to you!


The problem is that such actions resolve little and provoke more barbaric revenge.

The fundamental need for a decent "society" is an equitable law for all.

Israel is not providing this.

Clint Eastwood's film morality may appeal to some, but in practice fails.

That is the reason for attempts to obtain International Standards.

Good Luck.

Fred -A more meaningful film springs to mind than Clint Eastwood-with respect.

Interesting that Labour chose today to do the expulsion with out any firm evidence. It certainly has knocked the Labour Cash for influence story off the headlines.

They refuse to go into details and we have to trust their investigations.

If New Labour told me we circled the sun I would wait till the morning to come before believing them.

What happened to the Old Labour I once voted for?

You mean the Labour party of principle and integrity, M? Long, long gone.