Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Last update - 10:19 23/03/2010
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to AIPAC conference
By Haaretz Service

Members of the Obama Administration,
Senators,
Members of Congress,
Defense Minister Ehud Barak
Minister Uzi Landau
Ambassador Michael Oren,
Howard Kohr, David Victor, Lee Rosenberg Leaders of AIPAC,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

As the world faces monumental challenges, I know that Israel and America will face them together.

We stand together because we are fired by the same ideals and inspired by the same dream - the dream of achieving security, prosperity and peace.
This dream seemed impossible to many Jews a century ago.

This month, my father celebrated his one-hundredth birthday. When he was born, the Czars ruled Russia, the British Empire spanned the globe and the Ottomans ruled the Middle East.

During his lifetime, all of these empires collapsed, others rose and fell, and the Jewish destiny swung from despair to a new hope ? the rebirth of the Jewish state.

For the first time in two thousand years, a sovereign Jewish people could defend itself against attack.

Before that, we were subjected to unremitting savagery: the bloodletting of the Middle Ages, the expulsion of the Jews from England, Spain and Portugal, the wholesale slaughter of the Jews of the Ukraine, the pogroms in Russia, culminating in the greatest evil of all - the Holocaust.

The founding of Israel did not stop the attacks on the Jews. It merely gave the Jews the power to defend themselves against those attacks.

My friends,

I want to tell you about the day when I fully understood the depth of this transformation.

It was the day I met Shlomit Vilmosh over forty years ago.

I served with her son, Haim, in the same elite unit in the army.

During a battle in 1969, Haim was killed by a burst of gunfire.

At his funeral, I discovered that Haim was born shortly after his mother and father had been freed from the death camps of Europe.

If Haim had been born two years before, this daring young officer would have been tossed into the ovens like a million other Jewish children.
Haim?s mother Shlomit told me that though she was in great anguish, she was proud.

At least, she said, my son fell wearing the uniform of a Jewish soldier defending the Jewish state.

Time and again the Israeli army was forced to repel attacks of much larger enemies determined to destroy us.

When Egypt and Jordan recognized that we could not be defeated in battle, they embraced the path of peace.

Yet there are those who continue the assault against the Jewish state and who openly call for our destruction.

They seek to achieve this goal through terrorism, missile attacks and most recently by developing atomic weapons.

The ingathering of the Jewish people to Israel has not deterred these fanatics.

In fact, it has only whetted their appetite.

Iran's rulers say "Israel is a one bomb country." The head of Hezbollah says: "If all the Jews gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

My friends,

These are unpleasant facts, but they are the facts.

The greatest threat to any living organism or nation is not to recognize danger in time.

Seventy-five years ago, many leaders around the world put their heads in the sand. Untold millions died in the war that followed.

Ultimately, two of history's greatest leaders helped turn the tide.


Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill helped save the world. But they were too late to save six million of my own people.

The future of the Jewish state can never depend on the goodwill of even the greatest of men.

Israel must always reserve the right to defend itself.

Today, an unprecedented threat to humanity looms large.


A radical Iranian regime armed with nuclear weapons could bring an end to the era of nuclear peace the world has enjoyed for the last 65 years.

Such a regime could provide nuclear weapons to terrorists and might even be tempted to use them. Our world would never be the same.

Iran's brazen bid to develop nuclear weapons is first and foremost a threat to Israel, but it is also a grave threat to the region and to the world.

Israel expects the international community to act swiftly and decisively to thwart this danger.

But we will always reserve the right to self-defense.

We must also defend ourselves against lies and vilifications.

Throughout history, the slanders against the Jewish people always preceded the physical assaults against us and were used to justify these assaults.

The Jews were called the well-poisoners of mankind, the fomenters of instability, the source of all evil under the sun.

Unfortunately, these libelous attacks against the Jewish people also did not end with the creation of Israel.

For a time, overt anti-Semitism was held in check by the shame and shock of the Holocaust. But only for a time.

In recent decades the hatred of the Jews has reemerged with increasing force, but with an insidious twist.

It is not merely directed at the Jewish people but increasingly at the Jewish state.

In its most pernicious form, it argues that if only Israel did not exist, many of the world's problems would go away.

My friends,

Does this mean that Israel is above criticism? Of course not.

Israel, like any democracy, has its imperfections but we strive to correct them through open debate and scrutiny.

Israel has independent courts, the rule of law, a free press and a vigorous parliamentary debate ? believe me, it's vigorous.

I know that members of Congress refer to one another as my distinguished colleague from Wisconsin or the distinguished Senator from California.

In Israel, members of Knesset don't speak of their distinguished colleagues from Kiryat Shmona and Be'er Sheva. We say ? well, you don't want to know what we say....

In Israel, self-criticism is a way of life, and we accept that criticism is part of the conduct of international affairs.

But Israel should be judged by the same standards applied to all nations, and allegations against Israel must be grounded in fact.

One allegation that is not is the attempt to describe the Jews as foreign colonialists in their own homeland, one of the great lies of modern times.

In my office, I have a signet ring that was loaned to me by Israel's Department of Antiquities. The ring was found next to the Western wall, but it dates back some 2,800 years ago, two hundred years after King David turned Jerusalem into our capital city.

The ring is a seal of a Jewish official, and inscribed on it in Hebrew is his name: Netanyahu. Netanyahu Ben-Yoash. That's my last name. My first name, Benjamin, dates back 1,000 years earlier to Benjamin, the son of Jacob.

One of Benjamin's brothers was named Shimon, which also happens to be the first name of my good friend, Shimon Peres, the President of Israel.

Nearly 4,000 years ago, Benjamin, Shimon and their ten brothers roamed the hills of Judea.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel cannot be denied.

The connection between the Jewish people and Jerusalem cannot be denied.

The Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 year ago and the Jewish people are building Jerusalem today.

Jerusalem is not a settlement. It is our capital. In Jerusalem, my government has maintained the policies of all Israeli governments since 1967, including those led by Golda Meir, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin.

Today, nearly a quarter of a million Jews, almost half the city's Jewish population, live in neighborhoods that are just beyond the 1949 armistice lines.

All these neighborhoods are within a five-minute drive from the Knesset.

They are an integral and inextricable part of modern Jerusalem.

Everyone knows that these neighborhoods will be part of Israel in any peace settlement.

Therefore, building in them in no way precludes the possibility of a two-state solution.

Nothing is rarer in the Middle East than tolerance for the beliefs of others.

It's only under Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem that religious freedom for all faiths has been guaranteed.

While we cherish our homeland, we also recognize that Palestinians live there as well.

We don't want to govern them. We don't want to rule them. We want them as neighbors, living in security, dignity and peace.

Yet Israel is unjustly accused of not wanting peace with the Palestinians. Nothing could be further from the truth.

My government has consistently shown its commitment to peace in both word and deed.

From day one, we called on the Palestinian Authority to begin peace negotiations without delay.

I make that same call today. President Abbas, come and negotiate peace.

Leaders who truly want peace should sit down face-to-face.

Of course, the United States can help the parties solve their problems but it cannot solve the problems for the parties.

Peace cannot be imposed from the outside. It can only come through direct negotiations in which we develop mutual trust.

Last year, I spoke of a vision of peace in which a demilitarized Palestinian state recognizes the Jewish state.

Just as the Palestinians expect Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, we expect the Palestinians to recognize the Jewish state.

My government has removed hundreds of roadblocks, barriers and checkpoints facilitating Palestinian movement.

As a result, we have helped spur a fantastic boom in the Palestinian economy (Coffee Shops, restaurants, businesses, even multiplex theaters)

And we announced an unprecedented moratorium on new Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria.

This is what my government has done for peace. What has the Palestinian Authority done for peace?

Well, they have placed preconditions on peace talks, waged a relentless international campaign to undermine Israel's legitimacy, and promoted the notorious Goldstone report that falsely accuses Israel of war crimes.

In fact, they're doing right now in the UN in the grotesquely misnamed UN Human Rights Council.

I want to thank President Obama and the United States Congress for their efforts to thwart this libel, and I ask for your continued support.

Regrettably, the Palestinian Authority has also continued incitement against Israel.

A few days ago, a public square near Ramallah was named after a terrorist who murdered 37 Israeli civilians, including 13 children. The Palestinian Authority did nothing to prevent it.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Peace requires reciprocity. It cannot be a one-way street in which only Israel makes concessions.

Israel stands ready to make the compromises necessary for peace.

But we expect the Palestinians to compromise as well.

But one thing I will never compromise on is our security.

It is hard to explain Israel's security predicament to someone living in a country 500 times the size of Israel. But imagine the entire United States compressed to the size of New Jersey.

Next, put on New Jersey's northern border an Iranian terror proxy called Hezbollah which fires 6,000 rockets into that small state.

Then imagine that this terror proxy has amassed 60,000 more missiles to fire at you.

Wait. I'm not finished. Now imagine on New Jersey's southern border another Iranian terror proxy called Hamas.

It too fires 6,000 rockets into your territory while smuggling even more lethal weapons into its territory.

Do you think you would feel a little bit vulnerable? Do you think you would expect some understanding from the international community when you defend yourselves?

A peace agreement with the Palestinians must include effective security arrangements on the ground.

Israel must make sure that what happened in Lebanon and Gaza doesn't happen again in the West Bank.

Israel's main security problem with Lebanon is not its border with Lebanon. It is Lebanon's border with Syria, through which Iran and Syria smuggle tens of thousands of weapons to Hezbollah.

Israel's main security problem with Gaza is not its border with Gaza. It's Gaza's border with Egypt, under which nearly 1,000 tunnels have been dug to smuggle weapons.

Experience has shown that only an Israeli presence on the ground can prevent weapons smuggling.

This is why a peace agreement with the Palestinians must include an Israeli presence on the eastern border of a future Palestinian state.

If peace with the Palestinians proves its durability over time, we can review security arrangements.

We are prepared to take risks for peace, but we will not be reckless with the lives of our people and the life of the one and only Jewish state.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The people of Israel want a future in which our children no longer experience the horrors of war.

We want a future in which Israel realizes its full potential as a global center of technology, anchored in its values and living in peace with all its neighbors.

I envision an Israel that can dedicate even more of its creative and scientific talents to help solve some of the great challenges of the day, foremost of which is finding a clean and affordable substitute for gasoline.

And when we find that alternative, we will stop transferring hundreds of billions of dollars to radical regimes that support terror.

I am confident that in pursuing these goals, we have the enduring friendship of the United States of America, the greatest nation on earth.

The American people have always shown their courage, their generosity and their decency.

From one President to the next, from one Congress to the next, America's commitment to Israel's security has been unwavering.

In the last year, President Obama and the U.S. Congress have given meaning to that commitment by providing Israel with military assistance, by enabling joint military exercises and by working on joint missile defense.

So too, Israel has been a staunch and steadfast ally of the United States.

As Vice President Biden said, America has no better friend in the community of nations than Israel.

For decades, Israel served as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism. Today it is helping America stem the tide of militant Islam.

Israel shares with America everything we know about fighting a new kind of enemy.

We share intelligence. We cooperate in countless other ways that I am not at liberty to divulge. This cooperation is important for Israel and is helping save American lives.

Our soldiers and your soldiers fight against fanatic enemies that loathe our common values.

In the eyes of these fanatics, we are you and you are us.

To them, the only difference is that you are big and we are small. You are the Great Satan and we are the Little Satan.

This fanaticism's hatred of Western civilization predates Israel's establishment by over one thousand years.

Militant Islam does not hate the West because of Israel. It hates Israel because of the West -

Because it sees Israel as an outpost of freedom and democracy that prevents them from overrunning the Middle East.

That is why when Israel stands against its enemies, it stands against America's enemies.

President Harry Truman, the first leader to recognize Israel, said this:

"I have faith in Israel and I believe that it has a glorious future - not just as another sovereign nation, but as an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization."

My Friends,

We are gathered here today because we believe in those common ideals.

And because of those ideals, I am certain that Israel and America will always stand together.

I would think/hope that most of the above 1434, was for home consumption.

The remark Seventy-five years ago, many leaders around the world put their heads in the sand. Untold millions died in the war that followed.

I hope that this is not repeated in the Middle East.

The Jews are not the only group who has been persecuted, but themselves are now becoming the persecutors.

As is being pointed out more and more by world opinion.

Ignore it, if you wish.

But the arrogance of some of the Jewish/Israeli leadership is astounding.

Are we to expect this level of respect of International and National Laws?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7503921/Britain-to-expel-Mossads-man-in-London-over-Dubai-assassination.html

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Britain to expel Mossad's man in London over Dubai assassination
Mossad's representative at the Israel embassy in London is being expelled over the use of cloned British passports in the killing of a senior Hamas commander in Dubai, the Telegraph has learned.

By Rosa Prince, Political Correspondent
Published: 10:43AM GMT 23 Mar 2010


Foreign Secretary David Miliband is due to address Parliament on Tuesday afternoon on the issue.

A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment ahead of the statement, says Britain will expel one Israeli diplomat. Sources disclosed that the individual is Mossad's London representative.

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Ron Proser, the Israeli Ambassador to London, was summoned to the Foreign Office on Monday to be told the results of an inquiry into the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, whose body was discovered in a luxury Dubai hotel room on January 20.

Several members of the team suspected of killing him were found to be travelling on passports cloned from documents belonging to British citizens living in Israel. Other passports had been stolen from Irish, German,
Australian and French citizens.

A senior Israeli diplomat would be expelled as a mark of the anger within the Government that British passport holders had been put at risk as a result of the operation.

Mr Miliband has pulled out of an event at the Israeli Embassy this afternoon, where he was due to be the guest of honour at a "housewarming party" to mark the the opening of its new building in Kensington, central London.

A ministerial statement to be made to Parliament on Tuesday will formally name the Israeli security services as responsible for the cloning of up to 15 British passports, which were copied after being taken away by airport officials.

The statement will say that it proved impossible to confirm definitively whether Mossad, the Israeli secret intelligence service, was responsible for the operation, with suspicion also resting on the Military Intelligence Directorate.

But the probe had determined for certain that the passports were cloned when British citizens passed through airports on their way into Israel, with officials taking them away for checks which lasted around 20 minutes.

Foreign Office sources expressed frustration that there was little more that could be done to punish Israel over the affair.

Etc..

Who cares if the UK expels a diplomat-BIG DEAL- I am sure Israel would accept this as a trade off against the life of a Hizbollah mass murderer.

I for one am glad they did get the murdering son of a B.

Nobody is going to defend the Jewish people-only the Jews themselves. And you know what Fred-your constant harping on about the good the bad and the ugly i.e. Israel carries no weight with me.

Dont blame Israel for all that is wrong with the world.

Politics stink and politicians are worse-look at our own backyard today to see how corrupt cabinet ministers are.

Then many may hope the same standards of law and action will be applied
to you!


The problem is that such actions resolve little and provoke more barbaric revenge.

The fundamental need for a decent "society" is an equitable law for all.

Israel is not providing this.

Clint Eastwood's film morality may appeal to some, but in practice fails.

That is the reason for attempts to obtain International Standards.

Good Luck.

Fred -A more meaningful film springs to mind than Clint Eastwood-with respect.

Interesting that Labour chose today to do the expulsion with out any firm evidence. It certainly has knocked the Labour Cash for influence story off the headlines.

They refuse to go into details and we have to trust their investigations.

If New Labour told me we circled the sun I would wait till the morning to come before believing them.

What happened to the Old Labour I once voted for?

You mean the Labour party of principle and integrity, M? Long, long gone.

"I once voted for". Is that as in voted ONLY once for?

Copied.

What I would like to know is, the amount of money which Israeli groups are giving to the various political parties, and what they are expecting to get in return?

Perhaps, a light slap on the wrists.

Unfortunately, Israeli lobbying is embraced by all three major parties.

What does Israel get from it?

What for, do they consider different allegiances when legislation?

I am referring to the Cons. Labour and Liberal. Friends of Israel.

wrong thread.

Friday, March 19

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The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism
9/11 - The US Military Knows Israel Did It
Audio interview below
By Dr Alan Sabrosky



March 19, 2010 "Redress" - -Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu once remarked to a Likud gathering that "Israel is not like other countries". Oddly enough for him, that time he was telling the truth, and nowhere is that more evident than with Jewish nationalism, whether or not one pins the "Zionist" label on it.

Nationalism in most countries and cultures can have both positive and negative aspects, unifying a people and sometimes leading them against their neighbours. Extremism can emerge, and often has, at least in part in almost every nationalist/independence movement I can recall (e.g. The French nationalist movement had The Terror, Kenya's had the Mau Mau, etc.).



But whereas extremism in other nationalist movements is an aberration, extremism in Jewish nationalism is the norm, pitting Zionist Jews (secular or observant) against the goyim (everyone else), who are either possible predator or certain prey, if not both sequentially. This does not mean that all Jews or all Israelis feel and act this way, by any means. But it does mean that Israel today is what it cannot avoid being, and what it would be under any electable government (a point I'll develop in another article).



The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1. Zionism is a real witches' brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a "mere" nationalist context for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;




2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not e.g. A large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called "dual loyalty" (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;
3. The "enemy" of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America's target list); and
4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn't care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.
The implications of this for Middle East peace prospects, and for other countries in thrall to their domestic Jewish lobbies or not, are chilling. The Book of Deuteronomy come to life in a state with a nuclear arsenal would be enough to give pause to anyone not bought or bribed into submission which these days encompasses the US government, given Israel's affinity for throwing crap into the face of the Obama administration and Obama's visible affinity for accepting it with a smile, Bibi Netanyahu's own "Uncle Tom" come to Washington.
The late General Moshe Dayan, who Zionist or not remains an honoured part of my own Pantheon of military heroes, allegedly observed that Israel's security depended on its being viewed by others as a mad dog. He may have been correct. But he neglected to note that the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite. It is an option worth considering.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a former director of studies at the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net

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fahel- a meaningless post-what are you trying to say?

Fred-they dont give as much as the unions do to the Labour party-and they are still hellbent on further bringing this country to its knees with demands for more and more strike action-makes me puke.

Yuff,

Be careful that you don't choke on your own vomit.

I think Fahel is referring to the blinkered, intransigent stances of the present Israeli government.

It appears their thinking is in a time warp.

Is yours?

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Fahel,

I read posting 1445 a couple of times.

It is bleak

My feeling is that Israels present leadership is digging a bigger and bigger hole for itself.

I don't see Obama, as an Uncle Tom, and suspect that he hoped for a more rational approach to national government, rather than the Ya Boo type of government we are seeing in America once again. (It has been similar, for far too long in this country. Cameron had a chance to rise above it, but didn't have the courage to do so.)

Obama has a hell of a problem to extradite USA from Iraq and Afghanistan with a reasonable outcome. (The cost of its wars is sapping the USA economy and the will of the American people.)

(That doesnt even take into consideration its own future internal economic problems. )

I think over the coming year we will see a rewrite of American Foreign policies, with a flexing of Obama's muscle. (I think it is already beginning to happen, in spite of the right wing of the Republicans attempt to derail his policies.)

He has already intimated that Americas previous stances in the Middle East will be modified, and this will be possible, as he and the Democrats will be less indebted and dependent on the "Israeli" lobby, for future financing of his elections.

One hopes, that there will be similar mood change in Iran and some of the more militant Middle East Countries. (Having a more moderate government in Iran would be useful, but they should be left to decide that for themselves, unless they become an actively aggressive state.)

Unfortunately, I think for now, one has to ignore the use of its CIA techniques in bordering countries.
I hope that the Israel present administration is replaced by a more moderate government, with a fresh new negotiating approach, which recognises its responsibilities to its neighbours needs, as well as its own.

Moderation by all parties is needed at present, which could lead to advancements for all concerned.

Fred1new,

you are right of all of your previous posted, yes indeed israel needs moderate gov. to start real negotiation.

Israel has a moderate Govt that will negotiate ,but will also look after the interests of its own people.

Its israels neighbours who are shall we put it politely,less than moderate.

My thinking is not in a timewarp Fred,rather more cautious than yours.

For mediation, a responsible government has to take into consideration all parties, and not those to whom it has a simple tribal allegiance.


The Israeli government, at present, is considering fore-mostly, their own internal wishes (not "needs") and is demonstrating "short term self interest".

I think, it would be wiser to consider the long term consequences of its actions.

The present tory leadership, in this country, has similar problems.

Fred

Your wistful concerns for israel's future are touching. Or at least they would be if they came from somebody with a balanced view and no axe to grind. Every one of your posts on here makes it clear that you have an anti-israel agenda that is far from balanced. Your apparent concern is just a pathetic mechanism you use to try to appear reasonable and to try to hide the bigoted two faced naive twat that you are. It doesn't work. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

As I suggested months ago, after which attempts were made to howl me down.


The gulf is widening, worth reading the whole extract.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8585979.stm


Differences remain between Israel and US - White House


White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the talks had been straightforward


Differences remain between Israel and the US, following Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington, the White House has said.


President Obama urged the Israeli PM to take steps to build confidence in the peace process, during "honest" talks on Tuesday, spokesman Robert Gibbs said.


Mr Gibbs added that the US was seeking "clarification" of the latest plans to build homes in occupied East Jerusalem.


Mr Netanyahu's trip came amid the worst crisis in US-Israeli ties for decades.

Etc.