Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Are we to expect this level of respect of International and National Laws?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7503921/Britain-to-expel-Mossads-man-in-London-over-Dubai-assassination.html

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Britain to expel Mossad's man in London over Dubai assassination
Mossad's representative at the Israel embassy in London is being expelled over the use of cloned British passports in the killing of a senior Hamas commander in Dubai, the Telegraph has learned.

By Rosa Prince, Political Correspondent
Published: 10:43AM GMT 23 Mar 2010


Foreign Secretary David Miliband is due to address Parliament on Tuesday afternoon on the issue.

A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment ahead of the statement, says Britain will expel one Israeli diplomat. Sources disclosed that the individual is Mossad's London representative.

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Ron Proser, the Israeli Ambassador to London, was summoned to the Foreign Office on Monday to be told the results of an inquiry into the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, whose body was discovered in a luxury Dubai hotel room on January 20.

Several members of the team suspected of killing him were found to be travelling on passports cloned from documents belonging to British citizens living in Israel. Other passports had been stolen from Irish, German,
Australian and French citizens.

A senior Israeli diplomat would be expelled as a mark of the anger within the Government that British passport holders had been put at risk as a result of the operation.

Mr Miliband has pulled out of an event at the Israeli Embassy this afternoon, where he was due to be the guest of honour at a "housewarming party" to mark the the opening of its new building in Kensington, central London.

A ministerial statement to be made to Parliament on Tuesday will formally name the Israeli security services as responsible for the cloning of up to 15 British passports, which were copied after being taken away by airport officials.

The statement will say that it proved impossible to confirm definitively whether Mossad, the Israeli secret intelligence service, was responsible for the operation, with suspicion also resting on the Military Intelligence Directorate.

But the probe had determined for certain that the passports were cloned when British citizens passed through airports on their way into Israel, with officials taking them away for checks which lasted around 20 minutes.

Foreign Office sources expressed frustration that there was little more that could be done to punish Israel over the affair.

Etc..

Who cares if the UK expels a diplomat-BIG DEAL- I am sure Israel would accept this as a trade off against the life of a Hizbollah mass murderer.

I for one am glad they did get the murdering son of a B.

Nobody is going to defend the Jewish people-only the Jews themselves. And you know what Fred-your constant harping on about the good the bad and the ugly i.e. Israel carries no weight with me.

Dont blame Israel for all that is wrong with the world.

Politics stink and politicians are worse-look at our own backyard today to see how corrupt cabinet ministers are.

Then many may hope the same standards of law and action will be applied
to you!


The problem is that such actions resolve little and provoke more barbaric revenge.

The fundamental need for a decent "society" is an equitable law for all.

Israel is not providing this.

Clint Eastwood's film morality may appeal to some, but in practice fails.

That is the reason for attempts to obtain International Standards.

Good Luck.

Fred -A more meaningful film springs to mind than Clint Eastwood-with respect.

Interesting that Labour chose today to do the expulsion with out any firm evidence. It certainly has knocked the Labour Cash for influence story off the headlines.

They refuse to go into details and we have to trust their investigations.

If New Labour told me we circled the sun I would wait till the morning to come before believing them.

What happened to the Old Labour I once voted for?

You mean the Labour party of principle and integrity, M? Long, long gone.

"I once voted for". Is that as in voted ONLY once for?

Copied.

What I would like to know is, the amount of money which Israeli groups are giving to the various political parties, and what they are expecting to get in return?

Perhaps, a light slap on the wrists.

Unfortunately, Israeli lobbying is embraced by all three major parties.

What does Israel get from it?

What for, do they consider different allegiances when legislation?

I am referring to the Cons. Labour and Liberal. Friends of Israel.

wrong thread.

Friday, March 19

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The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism
9/11 - The US Military Knows Israel Did It
Audio interview below
By Dr Alan Sabrosky



March 19, 2010 "Redress" - -Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu once remarked to a Likud gathering that "Israel is not like other countries". Oddly enough for him, that time he was telling the truth, and nowhere is that more evident than with Jewish nationalism, whether or not one pins the "Zionist" label on it.

Nationalism in most countries and cultures can have both positive and negative aspects, unifying a people and sometimes leading them against their neighbours. Extremism can emerge, and often has, at least in part in almost every nationalist/independence movement I can recall (e.g. The French nationalist movement had The Terror, Kenya's had the Mau Mau, etc.).



But whereas extremism in other nationalist movements is an aberration, extremism in Jewish nationalism is the norm, pitting Zionist Jews (secular or observant) against the goyim (everyone else), who are either possible predator or certain prey, if not both sequentially. This does not mean that all Jews or all Israelis feel and act this way, by any means. But it does mean that Israel today is what it cannot avoid being, and what it would be under any electable government (a point I'll develop in another article).



The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1. Zionism is a real witches' brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a "mere" nationalist context for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;




2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not e.g. A large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called "dual loyalty" (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;
3. The "enemy" of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America's target list); and
4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn't care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.
The implications of this for Middle East peace prospects, and for other countries in thrall to their domestic Jewish lobbies or not, are chilling. The Book of Deuteronomy come to life in a state with a nuclear arsenal would be enough to give pause to anyone not bought or bribed into submission which these days encompasses the US government, given Israel's affinity for throwing crap into the face of the Obama administration and Obama's visible affinity for accepting it with a smile, Bibi Netanyahu's own "Uncle Tom" come to Washington.
The late General Moshe Dayan, who Zionist or not remains an honoured part of my own Pantheon of military heroes, allegedly observed that Israel's security depended on its being viewed by others as a mad dog. He may have been correct. But he neglected to note that the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite. It is an option worth considering.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a former director of studies at the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net

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fahel- a meaningless post-what are you trying to say?

Fred-they dont give as much as the unions do to the Labour party-and they are still hellbent on further bringing this country to its knees with demands for more and more strike action-makes me puke.

Yuff,

Be careful that you don't choke on your own vomit.

I think Fahel is referring to the blinkered, intransigent stances of the present Israeli government.

It appears their thinking is in a time warp.

Is yours?

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Fahel,

I read posting 1445 a couple of times.

It is bleak

My feeling is that Israels present leadership is digging a bigger and bigger hole for itself.

I don't see Obama, as an Uncle Tom, and suspect that he hoped for a more rational approach to national government, rather than the Ya Boo type of government we are seeing in America once again. (It has been similar, for far too long in this country. Cameron had a chance to rise above it, but didn't have the courage to do so.)

Obama has a hell of a problem to extradite USA from Iraq and Afghanistan with a reasonable outcome. (The cost of its wars is sapping the USA economy and the will of the American people.)

(That doesnt even take into consideration its own future internal economic problems. )

I think over the coming year we will see a rewrite of American Foreign policies, with a flexing of Obama's muscle. (I think it is already beginning to happen, in spite of the right wing of the Republicans attempt to derail his policies.)

He has already intimated that Americas previous stances in the Middle East will be modified, and this will be possible, as he and the Democrats will be less indebted and dependent on the "Israeli" lobby, for future financing of his elections.

One hopes, that there will be similar mood change in Iran and some of the more militant Middle East Countries. (Having a more moderate government in Iran would be useful, but they should be left to decide that for themselves, unless they become an actively aggressive state.)

Unfortunately, I think for now, one has to ignore the use of its CIA techniques in bordering countries.
I hope that the Israel present administration is replaced by a more moderate government, with a fresh new negotiating approach, which recognises its responsibilities to its neighbours needs, as well as its own.

Moderation by all parties is needed at present, which could lead to advancements for all concerned.

Fred1new,

you are right of all of your previous posted, yes indeed israel needs moderate gov. to start real negotiation.

Israel has a moderate Govt that will negotiate ,but will also look after the interests of its own people.

Its israels neighbours who are shall we put it politely,less than moderate.

My thinking is not in a timewarp Fred,rather more cautious than yours.

For mediation, a responsible government has to take into consideration all parties, and not those to whom it has a simple tribal allegiance.


The Israeli government, at present, is considering fore-mostly, their own internal wishes (not "needs") and is demonstrating "short term self interest".

I think, it would be wiser to consider the long term consequences of its actions.

The present tory leadership, in this country, has similar problems.

Fred

Your wistful concerns for israel's future are touching. Or at least they would be if they came from somebody with a balanced view and no axe to grind. Every one of your posts on here makes it clear that you have an anti-israel agenda that is far from balanced. Your apparent concern is just a pathetic mechanism you use to try to appear reasonable and to try to hide the bigoted two faced naive twat that you are. It doesn't work. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

As I suggested months ago, after which attempts were made to howl me down.


The gulf is widening, worth reading the whole extract.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8585979.stm


Differences remain between Israel and US - White House


White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the talks had been straightforward


Differences remain between Israel and the US, following Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington, the White House has said.


President Obama urged the Israeli PM to take steps to build confidence in the peace process, during "honest" talks on Tuesday, spokesman Robert Gibbs said.


Mr Gibbs added that the US was seeking "clarification" of the latest plans to build homes in occupied East Jerusalem.


Mr Netanyahu's trip came amid the worst crisis in US-Israeli ties for decades.

Etc.

Just to add to Gausie's eloquent comments, consider the following.

In a world of RealPolitick, the United States is not about to ditch their lifelong alliance with Israel. Neither are the rest of the NATO countries. There may be public tiffs and disagreements, but there is simply no way that the U.S. (or even the wimpy NATO allies) are going to ditch their nuclear proxy in the Middle East.

This is not to deny that the Palestinians have rights. I have long held that things aren't helped by Israel becoming the bully of the Middle East. At the same time, you have to see their problem. If you lived in Israel and had all the crap raining down on you from Gaza and Lebanon, knowing it was provided to Hamas/Hizbollah by the bloody Syrians and Iranians (an unholy alliance if ever I saw one - Sunni Ba'athists and radical Shias), just how long would you take it before saying "Enough, already!" and hitting back? I'm only surprised that the Israelis didn't at least threaten to nuke 'em.

When someone took your house your land what do you do?. do you just look at it from far away and pray that this person leave it or you try to defend your right and do whatever to make them leave it and go away.

he hit me and cried ,he raced me to complain
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