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ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND (RBS)     

cashcaptain - 09 May 2007 13:23

ANYONE KNOW WHY THE ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND IS SHOWING A SHARE PRICE AROUND THE 6.59 MARK WHEN IT WAS 18.00 OR SO THE OTHER WEEK OR AM I GOING STRANGE?????????????

halifax - 29 May 2008 16:56 - 144 of 676

RBS extend deadline to sell insurance business looking increasingly desperate to raise capital.Perhaps seriously bad news on the cards?

Guscavalier - 29 May 2008 19:26 - 145 of 676

who knows Halifax, perhaps due diligence takes longer or other party may enter at later date. Asset at end of the day is quality so if it is price that is the problem, then they will not sell it. Yes they would like the cash but, not at any price.

scotinvestor - 29 May 2008 19:58 - 146 of 676

rbs will fall further on monday

dealerdear - 29 May 2008 20:59 - 147 of 676

"rbs will fall further on monday"

really highly intelligent comment based probably on your wind!

There is a deliberate attempt by the market to destroy the rights issue of not only RBS but also B&B by trying to drive down the sp to below the rights price. It won't work my friend because greed will get in the way. When you see the price down there you will be the first to buy.

scotinvestor - 29 May 2008 21:10 - 148 of 676

i actually know something will happen with rbs on monday.

to be honest, its tempting to buy rbs already as it hit 224p today. so its hardly that far away from 2 quid.
b and b.....lol, now that is a shit share.

rbs is a quality bank and will be 4.50 quid in next year or so

dealerdear - 29 May 2008 21:31 - 149 of 676

If you're right, you're right.

I'm not posting my check till monday night so we will see.

Please don't tell me now it'll be Tuesday!

scotinvestor - 29 May 2008 21:38 - 150 of 676

just post your cheque dealer......you wont lose from the right issues i'm sure

dealerdear - 29 May 2008 21:44 - 151 of 676

double bluff eh..

Interesting ...

hlyeo98 - 29 May 2008 21:53 - 152 of 676

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=RBS&Si

RBS would tank below 200p by end of next month

EWRobson - 29 May 2008 22:16 - 153 of 676

A note of caution about the sp graph. The big daily form was, presumably, when the share went ex-rights. So, first, buyers acquire a smaller piece of the company; second, some buyers would go for the nil paid shares.

The news earlier in the week was that there would be six preliminary bids for the insurance holdings so if one drops out that is no big deal. Doubts also raised that sale wouild only bring in 5bill rather than 7bill; but that still looks a good sum when the holding cannot be that material to the share price in the first place.

Eric

Guscavalier - 29 May 2008 23:14 - 154 of 676

My guess would be that the sp may fall towards say 220p, then we will see a rally on the back of institutional buying closer to the rights take up date, enabling the rights issue to get away with the rump placed. After that the sp may well decline but there must be many shorting this stock and I am not so sure they will continue to be a good short once the balance sheet has been strengtherned. Rbs have bitten the bullet and institutions I suspect are looking to replace the management at some stage. Perhaps Barc will then be the next in line to raise funds. The market remains a little suspicious about its position.

Toya - 30 May 2008 07:37 - 155 of 676

News today of another possible bidder pulling out:

"LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Chinese insurer Ping An dropped out of the bidding for Royal Bank of Scotland Plc's insurance business on Thursday, according to a report in the Independent.

Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and Italy's Assicurazioni Generali SpA have also pulled out of the bidding, which leaves five possible bidders: Zurich Financial Services, Allstate Corp, Travelers Co, American International Group and Germany's Allianz."

dealerdear - 30 May 2008 07:39 - 156 of 676

At last somebody talking some sense.

Agree with everything you say Guscavalier.

halifax - 30 May 2008 10:23 - 157 of 676

There are suggestions that the investment banks underwriting the rights issue have short positions to cover any "rump" of shares they may be left with when payment has been made by shareholders. If that is the case it is possible the sp will recover somewhat thereafter.

dealerdear - 30 May 2008 10:59 - 158 of 676

Yes, I heard that.

forest - 30 May 2008 12:47 - 159 of 676

Can anyone help?
My missus works for RBS she has 3861 shares and has been allotted 2359. If she buys the 2359 how long would she have to wait to sell, if she wanted to. tia

dealerdear - 30 May 2008 12:57 - 160 of 676

If you tick Box 4 on the form, when they have processed your application, they will send the Provisional Allotment Letter back to you and my understanding is you can sell the shares using that letter.

Otherwise, you can't sell till you receive your share certificate which will be sometime at the end of June some 2-3 weeks after the new shares start trading.

Hope that helps.

forest - 30 May 2008 13:13 - 161 of 676

Thanks dealer.

dealerdear - 30 May 2008 15:41 - 162 of 676

The dreaded pull-back as the sp creeks and groans it's way towards 2 ..

When do I have to send the cheque .... lol

EWRobson - 30 May 2008 23:31 - 163 of 676

forest I have not been following this too closely but I assume that she could sell the new shares nil paid, probably getting about 20p per share (FT will say amount). So she would get something like 270 to offset the dilution of her existing holding. The last day for this is presumably 6th June with the fully paid shares being traded from 9th June. You must then be able to sell your paid-up shares then - check the dealer re documentation.
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