bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
bosley
- 16 Feb 2005 19:11
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evening all. er... did i miss something? did seo suddenly change overnight? why are people posting old news and trying to peddle rumour as fact? i dont remember anyone saying the technology wouldnt be commercialised when the price was 4p , or on its way up. filthy poor , 4p was the resistance level last year , maybe you should wait for that. zscrooge, robert reiser isnt spin , its a deal worth 4 million a year.others are forthcoming. i dont get all the negativity, folks. nothing has changed. we had a great run, some traders spotted it , well done to them. maybe a few of us got carried away, understandably, and wanted it to go on, forever blue. maybe the placing has had a bigger effect than originally thought. never mind, things will settle. as for the bigw, well it made me laugh. who is the bigw qouting ? doesnt make any sense. garbage.
Seine
- 16 Feb 2005 19:18
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what da F going on!!!
AdieH
- 16 Feb 2005 19:47
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Lol, think SEO should be told about the post claiming that RF has faults, these people should be bought to task for peddling such crap...
zscrooge
- 16 Feb 2005 20:17
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robert reiser isnt spin , its a deal worth 4 million a year.others are forthcoming.
Cheers bosley. Perhaps accounts at results will clarify matters.
EWRobson
- 16 Feb 2005 20:41
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Note that the results are to end-October so somewhat historical. One would expect an indication of first quarter figures and some projections. Evolution have 200 machines in current year which is based on management figures so that should be confirmed. That may be in the price but it will give the analysts something to base figures on. I hope we will see the actual deals that have been done, including royalties flow. Most curious of all is the laughable suggestion that we are talking about old technology. Strange that the ASDA tests, in addition to the cost savings, prove retention of the odour and increased shelf life. Are these derampers sent over here to spread dissension?
As I've said before, balanced views are welcome but biased negative stuff (I nearly repeated g*****e!)is not. It shouldn't need to be said, but comments that appear to be of a factual nature should be properly researched.
Eric
zscrooge
- 16 Feb 2005 20:43
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EWRobson
but comments that appear to be of a factual nature should be properly researched.
I concur most wholeheartedly.
EWRobson
- 16 Feb 2005 20:47
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Great! Good to be on common ground! You ignore the fact that, looking at one of your earlier posts however, that they have just raised 4M cash. You also claim that they pinched technology, presumably referring to the gelatine capsule replacement area, because you then admit that the R/F packaging technology looks promising. The Reiser deal and ASDA trials refer to this. This is an example of why I, and others, are concerned about the lack of balance in some negative comment. Why don't you correct your previous post(s) on the basis of information provided? If you are not a holder, fine to visit to elarn and then contribute when you have updated yourself on the technology and commercial aspects, e.g. EVO projections.
Eric
TheFrenchConnection
- 16 Feb 2005 21:11
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Amities/ lndeed the very notion that RF technology is deeply flawed, or will prove, non commercial, is nothing but utter twaddle and acheiving nothing but sowing unneccassary seeds of doubt in the collective pysche. Such an absurd illogical statement is not only erroneous but feeds the rather naive implication that the likes of Asda and reisers are nothing but mere dupes in even trialing the product .Oh Do behave ! Give Asda a little credit here. .As it happens RF is a PROVEN quantity; hence the known interest of such distinguished suitors. From my vantage point it is the curren packaging technology that costs the likes of Northern Foods alone a staggering 100m+ in fines p/a as a consequence of spoilt defective sealing that is the deeply flawed technology;and hence the manifest interest of both food manufacturers and retailers alike in seo rf tec.And as yet we dont know of other interested parties; and with such cost cutting achievable l am sure they await in the wings. .ln addition RF is not the only iron in the fire that drives SEO ,,Finally even if Simon c. is shorting SEO,,,So what? lt would seem only his successes are made well known and his costly failures kept a secret between him and his broker. The man was shorting REG @ 30p and look at its s/p now. Personally i see shorting being very temporary & shortlived. lts sailing against the wind ,,,,bonne chance !, a'bientot.!..bonne nuit ..@+ J. ,,,,,, off topic> hehe ... ,,,,France 17 England 16 ,,,,,,and that was the Worst French side i have ever seen. l dont know who was more surprised they won. Me ?( who wanted to go home at half time ) or the actual players who pranced around Twickenham in jubilation for what seemed hours. ? Bit like shares really . Staying in til the whistle ....and then the jubilation . .But credit to the French kickers boot as every bit as deft as that of zinnedine zidanne whose sweet right foot knocked England out of the world cup last year ... ,,,,
EWRobson
- 16 Feb 2005 21:32
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Welcome back! Le connexion Francais! Well said. It seems to me that shorting does work in companies in the 50M to 100M region where there is sufficient volume but not too much. Nobody seems to suggest shorting NLR because, its not even a wind, or tide but a tsunami! I suspected shorting in SEO in the last couple of days but I suspect that would only work for a little while until trading volume picks up again. I see evidence of it with ASC and comment is made suggesting it with BPRG, As I've said before, its an advantage to detect it because the sp is driven artificially low and that gives a buying opportunity. Au revoir.
Erique, ou peu par peu.
zscrooge
- 16 Feb 2005 21:52
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EWRobson
Comments duly noted. The money aspect was based on turnover and sales - I am aware of the placing. The RF technology is promising. Asda are very interested. SEO do have other irons in the fire. Enough positives?
I treat all broker predictions for what they are. EVOs in particular.
EWRobson
- 16 Feb 2005 22:10
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zscrooge. Thanks. Friends again without needing any french! Eric
Bones
- 16 Feb 2005 22:37
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AdieH, the following is in no way a dissing of SEO but, as a BPRG holder you will recall that BPRG raised 10m last year in an opportunistic placing at 110p. It was thought this would set a natural support level. Yet the bears drove the price down to 55p subsequently.
You have said above that the recent SEO placing at 12.75p will set a floor but you know from experience that is a flimsy argument.
The SEO placing was acutely opportunistic. A couple of weeks before, 12.75p was a pipedream. It is too opportunistic to have substance as a floor for the share price so it would be no surprise to see it broken as the PI's whose demand chased the price up will bail as it comes down. BPRG is a classic example. The "potential" of both companies' technologies is huge but it acts as no short term safety net for the share price.
hlyeo98
- 16 Feb 2005 22:42
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I do agree, Bones
bosley
- 17 Feb 2005 00:05
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good points being raised. great to read fact based comments, whether i like them or not, bones makes a good point. also, im sure ive said this before on a different thread: mr . knevel says hes shorting a stock ,everyone panics and sells, price drops, prophecy fulfilled. are people so lemming like? also, people should not await the results with too much expectation , they aint going to be that good. but we should await any new rns with expectation
tau
- 17 Feb 2005 01:26
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what a cryptic load of crap. obviously the guy is getting sweaty about his own shorting and 'cunningly' trying to woo the fickle to his dark lair. The words "will not" seem to have negative conotations ie. short. And "good news" appears to be the bail out(sorry for observing the obvious). Nevertheless, I would trust GW Bush more than him and suspect he is getting a bit desperate. (reference to Evil K).
apols. late night rant.
bosley
- 17 Feb 2005 07:16
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morning all. i wonder what today will bring?
AdieH
- 17 Feb 2005 07:29
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Good debate going on, I like your comments bones, well thought out, it will be interesting to see if we get another red day today...
bosley
- 17 Feb 2005 08:15
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steady eddie start, no red , no blue. off to work.
Biscuit
- 17 Feb 2005 08:36
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Price is holding up very well.
shao
- 17 Feb 2005 09:01
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just can't seem to understand this sh*t. there has been nearly 1000000 shares sold and zero bought but the price stays the same. i can't understand how this works? can someone please explain why this happens