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CHINA SHOTO is profitable and in a huge growth market (CHNS)     

moneyplus - 06 Mar 2006 16:23

This share has started to rise rapidly after the trading update which was very encouraging. The company provides batteries for mobiles etc and alternative power supplies. floated at 135p-should be a good investment with results due on April 18th.

Balerboy - 10 Oct 2009 23:13 - 145 of 152

I had these for a couple of years, was glad to get out at 205 with a small profit and use funds else where.

chakli - 10 Oct 2009 23:39 - 146 of 152

thanks balerboy ,are on my sell list for monday ,
realised later on my mistake picked the wrong one, problem is too many shares in my portfolio actively reducing them.
greed and temptation is hard to beat!l

rivaldo55555 - 22 Oct 2009 19:08 - 147 of 152

CHNS are now back over 200p, but are on a P/E of only 4.3 based on 47p EPS this year, which may well be soundly beaten given that achieved 28p EPS in H1 pre-impairments.

And CHNS still trades at below its tangible NAV....

The ridiculous thing is that the low rating is cheap given CHNS' prospects in its core telecoms sector alone, yet it has such huge potential in other sectors too which is all in the price for free.

CHNS is the Chinese market leader in energy storage and batteries, and it's already selling products for wind power and solar power and also produces lithium-ion and other power sources for electric cars and bikes.

This new article from last week should get people excited. Remember that Jiangsu Shuangdeng are CHNS' main operating subsidiary. It talks about the huge potential for energy storage systems in wind power, solar power etc - $14.6 billion by 2015 in China alone.

The article (well worth a read in full) concludes:

http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/business-in-china/100182807-1-pent-up-power.html

"Pent-up power
Published: 13 Oct 2009 09:02:01 PST"

"The off-grid market is government oriented, Chen noted, and predictably government recommended brands such as Zhejiang Tianneng and Jiangsu Shuangdeng have a greater advantage over others."

rivaldo55555 - 05 Nov 2009 19:37 - 148 of 152

The share price has risen beautifully now to 238p, but even after today's rise, CHNS remains on a P/E of only 5.1, and is finally above its tangible NAV :o))

And with 120k shares traded today (including PLUS) volumes have been extremely healthy by CHNS' standards. A 14.5p rise today on excellent volumes is a very good sign going forward.

There was an excellent supplement in yesterday's FT titled "The Future of Energy". The relevance to CHNS?

Bear in mind that last year China became the world's leading exporter of energy technology and is rapidly expanding its use of renewable energy, including wind and solar power. It's also expanding its energy network at a rate equivalent to the UK's entire power output each year.

There are four trends shaping the world's energy system:

(1) Electrification : shifting away from oil and gas towards electricity as the principal form of energy delivery and use. The FT states that the great problem with electricity is power storage...

As we know, CHNS are already selling wind and solar pwoer energy storage systems, and are producing electric bike batteries and researching electric car power systems.

(2) De-carbonisation : electrification is important as it's easier to cut CO2 emissions from power generation than from transport fuels. Nuclear power is the best-developed form of low-carbon energy, and is widely expected to increase in usage.

CHNS already supply to the nuclear industry.

(3) Localisation : energy independence for every country. We all know about China's attempts to tie up the global supply of oil and gas, rare earth minerals etc.

If China succeed to any extent, then CHNS will be in prime position to exploit this as the Chinese market leader.

(4) Optimisation : more efficient and productive use of energy.

CHNS have over 100 patents, are introducing lithium-ion batteries etc etc.

The Chinese government has said that renewable energy will account for 15% of energy consumption by 2020.

Only a small proportion of this business will do wonders for CHNS. All of this is in the current price for free, since the P/E of 5 relates only to the core telecoms business, which we know will continue to thrive for the next two or three years at least given the massive telco infrastructure expansion in China.

rivaldo55555 - 15 Nov 2009 07:53 - 149 of 152

CHNS' share price is now at an all-time high of 265p. Yet it continues to trade on a ridiculously low P/E.

Even now at 265p the P/E is just 5.6, and the m/cap is not far above tangible NAV. A 50% share price rise from here to around 400p would still mean a P/E of only 8.5. The P/E at the current price would drop to only 4.8 assuming a conservative 55p EPS next year.

And this low rating is predicated purely on CHNS' core and fast-growing telecoms business. Its excellent prospects in wind and solar power, for which it's already selling products, and electric power are in the price for free...

It's worth reiterating that:

- CHNS is the Chinese market leader in its field
- CHNS is on course for 200m of sales this year. Not bad compared to the 60m m/cap. The PSR is therefore extremely impressive
- CHNS' CEO is (from memory) Chairman of China's National Battery Association, so CHNS is likely to continue to have a large say in that country's strategy and production of batteries and energy storage systems. Not to mention the developments in wind and solar power etc...

Online on Friday you could not buy any shares at all!

And you could sell loads of shares at ABOVE the mid-price.

Which indicates that there is continuing demand for the shares, whilst there is little stock out there to satisfy demand at the current P/E of just over 5.

The signs are good based on the above.

rivaldo55555 - 28 Jan 2010 20:13 - 150 of 152

Terrific news today - CHNS announced that 2009 PBT would be "materially ahead of market expectations":

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201001280700062377G

Historic 2009 EPS should now be at least 52p EPS given previous forecasts of 47p EPS.

At the current 316p that's a minimum historic P/E of 6.1. And that's after an unusually large impairment charge in H1.

The "true" adjusted historic EPS for 2009 could be around 60p or more, which would leave 2010 looking at perhaps 70p+ EPS given normal impairment charges.

That's a current year P/E of 4.5.

The planned lead recycling facility might come on stream this year and would materially and quickly improve profitability.

A poster elsewhere noted a comment from the house broker - "Seymour Pierce say price target of 500p is both realistic and conservative", targeting EPS of 50.4p in 2009 and 53.8p in 2010".

Those EPS targets are VERY conservative. 50.4p EPS for 2009 is likely to be the house broker playing safe as in the past, allowing them to raise their forecasts and target prices again after the 2009 results are published soon.

The m/cap is now almost 80m. An inkling of a dual Hong Kong listing in the upcoming results would likely see a further share price rise which in itself would see the m/cap at 100m, i.e an acceptable level for such a listing.

An excellent post on ADVFN listed comparators for CHNS in terms of having lead re-cycling and battery manufacturing facilities:

"Hoppecke Batteries, Germany .. privately held
Exide .. public. On a p/e of 9 ish but laden with debt & losing money
Johnson Controls .. their energy division.
Coslight .. Asian peer listed on hk @ p/e of 19"

Battery demand from Telco's in India, China and the EU are all set to grow as 3G networks roll out, and in the EU there's a need for basestation batteries to be replaced through life-cycle redundancy.

Given that CHNS had 20m+ net cash at the end of H1 - before the seasonally much stronger in cash flow terms H2 - CHNS' cash pile could be a lot higher now.

The proposed lead recycling facility could therefore be funded by either one of or a mixture of:

- existing net cash
- use of extensive but currently unused bank loan facilities
- a small fundraising via a fundraising at a much higher share price in Hong Kong via a dual listing

Whichever way it is funded, the new facility should have a very positive impact on earnings.

As it is, the core CHNS business is evidently performing extremely well.

As I've noted before, CHNS has yet to be re-rated for its entry into renewables via:

- wind power storage products
- solar power storage
- electric bike and car batteries

On a P/E of 4 or 5 for 2010 even a 50% re-rating would leave CHNS only on a P/E of 6 to 8.

Proselenes - 29 Jan 2010 02:53 - 151 of 152

Strange company CHNS. Why talk about just PBT ?

I mean if your results are ahead they are ahead. Why say just Profit Before Tax is materially ahead, and this be followed up by a revised broker comment which puts EPS up just a little.

If your PBT is materially ahead then all your results should be, so is there something going on with tax ?

Looks murky to me, nobody just highlights PBT materially ahead.........you say your results are ahead.

Never mind, the issue here is not revenue growth or EPS, its all about cash.

The prelims should show strong cash, but the problem is always H1 results, the interims.

Cash outflow is tough in the 1st half, and they cut the interim dividend last results and now are spending lots of cash on a new recycling plant.

So while prelims for last year might be strong, whats the cash situation going to be like at the next interims (this 1st half).

I mean, if they have so much cash, why the hell did they cut the interim dividend last time ????????

Murky ?

Joe Say - 29 Jan 2010 07:24 - 152 of 152

Guess there's no pleasing some people
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