Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Israel has a moderate Govt that will negotiate ,but will also look after the interests of its own people.

Its israels neighbours who are shall we put it politely,less than moderate.

My thinking is not in a timewarp Fred,rather more cautious than yours.

For mediation, a responsible government has to take into consideration all parties, and not those to whom it has a simple tribal allegiance.


The Israeli government, at present, is considering fore-mostly, their own internal wishes (not "needs") and is demonstrating "short term self interest".

I think, it would be wiser to consider the long term consequences of its actions.

The present tory leadership, in this country, has similar problems.

Fred

Your wistful concerns for israel's future are touching. Or at least they would be if they came from somebody with a balanced view and no axe to grind. Every one of your posts on here makes it clear that you have an anti-israel agenda that is far from balanced. Your apparent concern is just a pathetic mechanism you use to try to appear reasonable and to try to hide the bigoted two faced naive twat that you are. It doesn't work. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

As I suggested months ago, after which attempts were made to howl me down.


The gulf is widening, worth reading the whole extract.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8585979.stm


Differences remain between Israel and US - White House


White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the talks had been straightforward


Differences remain between Israel and the US, following Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington, the White House has said.


President Obama urged the Israeli PM to take steps to build confidence in the peace process, during "honest" talks on Tuesday, spokesman Robert Gibbs said.


Mr Gibbs added that the US was seeking "clarification" of the latest plans to build homes in occupied East Jerusalem.


Mr Netanyahu's trip came amid the worst crisis in US-Israeli ties for decades.

Etc.

Just to add to Gausie's eloquent comments, consider the following.

In a world of RealPolitick, the United States is not about to ditch their lifelong alliance with Israel. Neither are the rest of the NATO countries. There may be public tiffs and disagreements, but there is simply no way that the U.S. (or even the wimpy NATO allies) are going to ditch their nuclear proxy in the Middle East.

This is not to deny that the Palestinians have rights. I have long held that things aren't helped by Israel becoming the bully of the Middle East. At the same time, you have to see their problem. If you lived in Israel and had all the crap raining down on you from Gaza and Lebanon, knowing it was provided to Hamas/Hizbollah by the bloody Syrians and Iranians (an unholy alliance if ever I saw one - Sunni Ba'athists and radical Shias), just how long would you take it before saying "Enough, already!" and hitting back? I'm only surprised that the Israelis didn't at least threaten to nuke 'em.

When someone took your house your land what do you do?. do you just look at it from far away and pray that this person leave it or you try to defend your right and do whatever to make them leave it and go away.

he hit me and cried ,he raced me to complain
http://quietube.com/v.php/http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzVE-PzCaY

Obama will be worse than Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIO4T-OjGU&feature=youtube_gdata

Fred1New...you have summed everything up in one sentence..

"The Jews are not the only group who has been persecuted, but themselves are now becoming the persecutors."

Oh My God !!!
I left the premium section ages ago - no-one trading US shares - and have a peep in here in the "investor's room" - and what do I find?
Freddy boy is still going on and on and on and on ad infinitum and ad nauseum with his pathological hatred of Israel, Jews and everything related.
There must be some love somewhere in that twisted embittered soul of yours.
Or perhaps not.
Get a life - or get help from http://www.ocduk.org/

My God - you need therapy.

For those of independent minds, have a look at this program DATELINE London.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006m93g

Very interesting discussion for some.

Why Are Jews Persecuted?(an excellent article)

By Jayne Gardener
2-19-2008
http://www.rense.com/general80/whj.htm

I always used to wonder what it was about Jews that made
people throughout history despise them. If they were indeed
"God's chosen" I thought, they had to be the
unluckiest people in the history of the world.


Why were they persecuted throughout history?

Why had the Nazis herded them into cattle cars and taken
them to "extermination
camps" to dispose once and for the entire Jewish
problem?"

I suddenly recognized that if Hitler had developed a
"Final Solution" to
the Jewish question, that there had to have been a
"Jewish Problem." Could the Jews have in any way
behaved in such a manner that would make the countries in
which they resided turn against them, or were they just
unfortunate, innocent victims?


I set out to find answers for my questions, mainly turning
to the Internet, but also reading various books on the
subject. What I found became increasingly disturbing to me.


I had not known that throughout history, the Jews had been
expelled from 79 countries, some countries more than once.


I had not known that many of the claims they made about the
Holocaust that I had believed unquestioningly for so long
were in fact fraudulent.

The books I had read and the movies I had seen about the
"Holocaust" and wept over were nothing but thinly
veiled attempts to garner unwavering sympathy for the state
of Israel and an excuse to extort billions of dollars from
Germany and 1.25 billion dollars from the Swiss banks.


I discovered that a book I had read many times as a
teenager and cried about, Anne Frank's Diary, had been
at least partially written by someone other than Anne Frank.


I learned that the confessions at the Nuremberg Trials and
the executions of so many German "war criminals"
were extracted under torture and the defendants were being
tried, judged and condemned by their very accusers.


I learned about the "false flag" operations,
especially the Lavon affair and the tragedy of the USS
Liberty, an American ship that was attacked by the Israelis
during the 1967 war. 34 young American men were killed and
many more wounded.


To add insult to injury, the Israelis claimed that it was
simply an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, something
the survivors of the Liberty have always vehemently denied.
They, however, were threatened with court martial if they
were ever to tell their stories.


I learned about the Jonathan Pollard spy case and other
incidents of Israeli Jews spying against their supposed
"closest ally."

I became shocked and horrified as I learned about the
treatment of the Palestinian people in the occupied
territories at the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces and
the Jewish settlers. Israel purports to be the only
democracy in the Middle East, but it's only a democracy
for Jews. Non-Jews are not considered equal.


I was saddened to see pictures of innocent Palestinian
children burned beyond recognition or suffering from serious
gunshot wounds after being targeted by the IDF for no other
reason than that they are Palestinian.


I found out about the Jewish history of avariciousness,
larceny, lying, manipulation and their questionable and
usurious business practices.

I learned about their roles in the radical homosexual
movement, the radical feminist movement, the pornography
industry as well as their over-representation in the
abortion industry.


I discovered their role in organized crime, in the slave
trade, in the civil rights movement and in Communism, an
ideology that is responsible for the deaths of untold
millions and the repression of many millions more.


I learned that it was Jewish supremacists behind the war
against Christianity and Christmas. It is they who want God
out of the Pledge of Allegiance and all symbols of
Christianity removed from public life.



They have driven Christianity from the public schools
despite Christianity being the majority religion.

They have taken Christmas out of the public school calendar
despite the fact that it is a statutory holiday and it is
named Christmas.


I read about the anti-Gentilism and hatefulness of the
Babylonian Talmud and their utter disrespect for, and
hostility towards Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and
Christianity and Christians in general.

I learned about their "chutzpah" in claiming that
Gentile lives were worth no more than the lives of barnyard
animals but that they considered Jewish lives to be akin to
God Himself. It's okay to steal from a Gentile or to
kill a Gentile, but Jewish lives are sacred.


I learned of their control of the majority of wealth, the
media and academia despite them making up less than 2% of
the population (even lower in Canada).

They are behind the ridiculous political correctness
movement and hate crime legislation that was drafted so as
to silence anyone who might figure out their agenda and
attempt to shed light on it.


Men like German Rudolf, David Irving and many more,
previously recognized as great historians, were arrested,
charged with hate crimes and incarcerated simply for having
made academic inquiry into a specific period of history.


Other so called "revisionists" or "holocaust
deniers" have been intimidated, harassed, assaulted and
smeared simply for trying to get at the truth.

I found out that the Jews are responsible for our wide open
immigration policies that have created the nightmare we call
"multiculturalism,"
"diversity," inclusiveness" and
"pluralism."


It is mostly they who push for race mixing and
miscegenation, knowing full well that it would eventually
lead to those of white European descent being minorities in
their own countries and the eventual extermination of white
European DNA.


It is patently clear that the war in Iraq is due solely to
Israel wanting to hobble her enemies by destabilizing their
governments in order to achieve hegemony in the Middle East.


It would be unthinkable for Israeli Jews to die for this
cause, so they manipulated
the US into the war with the help of the Jewish Zionist
"Israel firsters" in the Bush administration in
order that the blood of way
too many young American men and women is shed instead.

It is they who control the Middle Eastern foreign policy of
the most powerful country in the world, the USA. It is they
who control congress, the senate and the puppet president,
George W. Bush.

They have such control in movies and television that we are
now subjected to endless programs and Hollywood movies that
mock Christianity, Christian values and degrade the
traditional family.


After sober reflection on what I had discovered about
Jewish supremacy and Zionism, I had to abandon all my
previously held notions as to the history of Jewish
persecution.

What I have trouble understanding is why they continue this
behavior in whichever society they live, knowing that
eventually they will overplay their hand and their perfidy
will be exposed yet again. Has history taught them nothing?



As more and more people become aware of what is going on
and who is responsible for it, anger is going to rise as it
already has in the former Soviet Union and eastern European
countries.

They may control television, movies and the print media,
but they don't control the Internet. At least not yet.
Blogs and websites devoted to "outing" the Jewish
supremacists will ultimately be their downfall.


If everyone who sees this information passes it on to at
least one other person, the crimes and misdeeds of the
Jewish supremacists and Zionists will be exposed and they
will have nowhere to run or hide (except Israel).


Posted by Jayne
Gardener

Jane Who?

Who she?
Allowing for all the unsubstantiated rubbish, you
could insert 'arab' in place of 'jew' in a large
percentage of the rest .

I fear that fahel's post 1460 is sufficiently full of revisionist racist venom and lies such as those perpetrated by David Irving that it may even be illegal. Quite apart from that, it's complete crap.

I wonder what MoneyAM thinks?

If fahel actually believes it, then you are definately right MM!, Jane who though?

Read the first few paragraphs and didn't bother with the rest. I sometimes wonder at the moronic intelligence that could consider the Holocaust was an illusion. I suppose the board idiot Fred will agree with most of it. Not often I squelch anyone (just Fred) but in the idiot bin you go Fahel.

Fahel,

I think both you and Jayne Fahel should have a quiet lie down in a dark room.

Preferably, with MM.

When you wake up, all three of you could start talking about a sensible way of moving forward.

Don't make me laugh Fred, sensible and Fred 1 New complete contradiction in terms!

Fred: I thought you'd squelched me. I'm disappointed.

CC.

I agree, I would expect it is well beyond you comprehension and capabilities.