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RTD - Why? (RTD)     

Nitefly - 15 Sep 2003 10:55

Why are we again at 10.5p bid?

It doesn't add up...

Good Results + Strong buying pre results + Christmas online buying soon = Price drop

Then again some companies that have debt for equity hanging in the balance, poor results and bankruptcy around the corner and they go up!

Why sell now at a loss?

Wont that be a kick in the teeth when we see 13.5p 14p again!

Best of luck all.

apple - 10 Sep 2004 11:03 - 1469 of 2406

biffa18

The directors bought at higher levels than this but I don't think that they are bothered about aggressive PR at the moment, they are busy building the business & won't be too upset if the price falls in the short term because it will give them a chance to buy some more at a lower price.

I think that they will watch the price over the next few weeks or months & take advantage when they can. I WOULD & in the short term, I wouldn't be making aggressive PR statements that make me pay more for the shares.

Here'a a thought for you, what would you do in their fortunate situation?

Fred1new - 10 Sep 2004 11:09 - 1470 of 2406

I think now is not the time for shooting yourself Douggie.
I think some of the problem is that although EPS is good and up, Revenue is only 5% up. (See below)This may be the fly in the ointment. I will still hold this share for the future. ? what M&S deal is worth.

"Earnings per share for the period more than trebled to 0.52 pence per share from 0.16 pence while revenues increased by """"5 pct"""!!!! to 15.4 mln stg from 14.7 mln, driven by excellent performance in the Australian fuel card operation and strong performance in the the Card Not Present fraud prevention market."


Although there has been some reasonable size sales there are also some reasonable buys buys. No institutional sales obvious. I think you will see a rise in price again thro' the coming weeks.
PS The directors of this company have always been cautious in proclaiming the future and appear scrupulous in their dealings.
Good luck.

Fred1new - 10 Sep 2004 11:18 - 1471 of 2406

I am fed up of editing my own thread.
Before anybody shouts, I know the revenue declared is modified by dollar to pound etc.

apple - 10 Sep 2004 11:56 - 1472 of 2406

I wonder if the 1/4 million buy was a director?

biffa18 - 10 Sep 2004 11:58 - 1473 of 2406

Apple
your right in what you say but the perception that they give is not brilliant i hold 25tho of these which im about 2% down but i wont sell as i think it will come thro eventually i will wait and see but a growth of revenue of 5% is not exactly mind boggling as i said more deals with big companys and details of what they are worth ie m/s deal i am slightly dissapointed with todays rns as i expected maybe a bit more pr on future projects and hopes etc as they announced m/s deal before today i would of thought releasing it today would of made the day seem better its all about perception and what people think now as most of the volitility has gone now that alot of the day traders etc have lost their dosh and i dont see any major inst rushing to buy which would be welcome !!
prob is its got a label of a dog share which only good pr/deals will get rid of ......but as iv found sometimes dog shares can make you rich !!!! just a bit of patience is req and not to keep watching the trade pages as they are a total waste of space (dougie)
take a look at my jkx thread was in @ 20p holding 50tho now sold !! share price now over a 1

apple - 10 Sep 2004 12:32 - 1474 of 2406

biffa18

The directors have confidence, that is why they bought at a higher price than this.

They don't announce things until they are sure, which is a good thing.

Good PR does not need to be aggressive.

I would rather have a low key approach than buckets of hype which people cease to believe after a while.

& as I said, aggressive PR would be against their interests at the moment.

Also the low key approach makes them look very responsible.

biffa18 - 10 Sep 2004 14:44 - 1475 of 2406

well we will see what happens i will sell if drops to 12p but i dont expect any sudden up rise unless more big deals are done not in the near future anyway

parveen1 - 10 Sep 2004 18:00 - 1476 of 2406

parveen1 - 10 Sep 2004 18:04 - 1477 of 2406

4,000,000 shares sold in the last 2 hrs and there is no price movement downwards ! very strange
anyone shed any light on the 3 x 970,000 share sells?, also very strange !!!
Me very confused

Then again this share is giving everyone a hell of a rollercoaster ride

apple - 10 Sep 2004 18:42 - 1478 of 2406

I suppose that they were not sells then, just not reported on time for the algorithm to get them right.

Anyway, it wasn't 2 hours.

Fundamentalist - 10 Sep 2004 19:07 - 1479 of 2406

I am guessing but to me the three 970K trades look like a rollover trade and a transfer between brokers.

Edit: if they were all sells surely the share price wouldnt have held or the MMs know that there is more news to come

Fred1new - 10 Sep 2004 23:24 - 1480 of 2406

Fundamentalist, Reading the score chart.Ithink you are right.

The results at first glance poorer than I expected, but I am not likely to sell my holdings until the next 6month figures are out. My holdings were bought out of previous profits and I think the long term policies are sound.

biffa18 - 11 Sep 2004 12:09 - 1481 of 2406

with any luck it might be a instut maybe taking a few maybe a rns later next week, would of thought price would of dropped further if sells as mm see these trades before we do and as apple says these could of been delayed anyway !! ,as for more news the only news to shift this up major in the short term would be talk of a takeover etc
does anyone know how much rtd make on each transaction such as t mobile etc as i expected profit to be alot more really considering the amount of transactions that must take place each day

guysands - 11 Sep 2004 14:42 - 1482 of 2406

Does anyone have a copy of the Edmund Jackson comment of the Cybersource litigation against RTD? I think it came out shortly after August 13th - but I do not seem to be able to find it on the internet.

Thanks in advance.

Fundamentalist - 11 Sep 2004 15:24 - 1483 of 2406

guysands - are you gsands from ADVFN?

overgrowth - 11 Sep 2004 15:47 - 1484 of 2406

He is one and the same - gsands who amazingly stated that he had opened a short on RTD, and is now looking for all the negative material he can find to wear down investors on advfn into selling.

If you want to buy gsands a new car folks then sell your shares. If you think that the results were good and that RTD still has lots of potential (which I do), then now could well be the best time to buy.

The next time RTD get above 20p, it looks as though the teens are unlikely to be re-visited.

Fundamentalist - 11 Sep 2004 16:22 - 1485 of 2406

If overgrowth is right and it is one and the same GSands - p*** off - you're not welcome here.

I lurk on ADVFN and have seen what diatribe you post with amazing transparency. When you are long RTD you ramp all day, suddenly you have opened a spreadbetting account and are short and you are posting completely contradictory posts trying to de-ramp. Last week you posted that you were looking to short, then you said if the results were good you would go long, then you decided to short again. I can smell those fingers burning and it is a most enjoyable smell!!!!

Go back to ADVFN


For all the regular moneyam posters this person can seriously damage your wealth - he has called RTD wrong several times in the past. He then asks other people for info (hence why he's here) to try and back up his trading opinion (often appearing to try and convince himself). If you want to clarify this go to the thread on RTD on ADVFN and post a request as to opinions on GSands!!!!! Trust posters like Fistfullofdollars, Amarcou, Badabing, Hatto who will confirm what I have stated as I guess will overgrowth.

I have to admit until now I have never used the squelch facility on moneyam -that is no longer true as Guysands you are now squelched (flitered in ADVFN speak)

guysands - 11 Sep 2004 17:44 - 1486 of 2406

Oops,

I thought this was a discussion thread.

I didn't realise it was a 'comfort' thread for RTD enthusiasts all wishing to bolster each others posistive views on RTD and reaffirm reasons for being invested in this company.

Fred1new - 11 Sep 2004 18:03 - 1487 of 2406

Interesting. I thought that there was an element of shorting on this share for a while. I also question whether EOP is having the same problems. But the spread would seem to make it difficult for me. Interested in opinions.

Fundamentalist - 11 Sep 2004 18:15 - 1488 of 2406

Fred

Without doubt there is shorting on this share (and all shares to some degree).

Personal opinion is a risk reward question. IMO the downside is very limited unless the litigation is successful (which in my opinion is highly unlikely) whereas the upside is a lot higher.

Fundamentally, the valuation is very undemanding, the Aussie fuel card business is worth about 16p per share on its own (and is still growing although at a single digit % rate). The CNP business is currently producing little contribution to overall profit but is signing up customers at an exceptional rate. These new customers business will start to flow through to revenue and most of this will go straight to the bottom line. There is still room for a huge amount of growth in this area at very high margins.

I would expect that the price is likely to drift a little bit until the next update on the litigation though would expect it to rise back up to at least 20p if and when the patent infringement is dropped. After that, I would expect that any future growth in share prices will be linked to the success of the growth in the CNP area. The only danger is how long the patent infringement will remain unresolved.

Personally, I wouldnt want to be short the day the patent infringement is dropped - could be some burning fingers.

All IMHO and DYOR - im still holding for the longer term growth.
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