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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

MaxK - 03 May 2016 08:46 - 1483 of 12628

Major leak from Brussels reveals NHS will be ‘KILLED OFF’ if Britain remains in the EU

A MAJOR leak from Brussels has revealed the NHS will be killed off if Britain remains in the European Union.



By David Maddox

PUBLISHED: 06:05, Tue, May 3, 2016 | UPDATED: 08:12, Tue, May 3, 2016






Hundreds of papers from the secretive trade talks between the US and EU have been released online.

They appear to confirm fears that the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership talks between Brussels and Washington will, when ratified, lead to the health service being privatised or dismantled.

The documents, obtained by Greenpeace Netherlands, include a US proposal to have a committee with representatives from Washington and Brussels to meet each year “to review state-owned enterprises and monopolies” which would include the NHS.

The committee would meet annually and would not be guaranteed a representative from Britain.


More: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666454/NHS-EU-killed-off-Brexit-Remain-Leave-referendum-Brussels-European-Union

jimmy b - 03 May 2016 08:53 - 1484 of 12628

NHS will be killed off , of course it will and everybody's teeth will fall out ,disease will be rampant and London will look like the Black Death again ,people will be wandering the streets at night like zombies looking to eat each other .

Fred1new - 03 May 2016 08:55 - 1485 of 12628

Max,

You are beginning to believe your own propaganda.

Is it wishful thinking.

MaxK - 03 May 2016 08:57 - 1486 of 12628

Do you know what TTIP is Fred?

iturama - 03 May 2016 09:02 - 1487 of 12628

I have heard from reliable sources that if we leave Brits will no longer be able to occupy the sunbeds nearest the sea (they will be reserved for Germans) and that our national dress of socks and sandals will be banned from all coastal resorts. You will still be able to get the Daily Mail but only in a brown bag, for which you will pay an extra one Euro.

will10 - 03 May 2016 09:16 - 1488 of 12628

Grannyboy

Wasn't trying to score political points,
Labour or Tory need a strong economy to make the country run.

Economics apply.
Migration into the UK is necessary we need migrant nurses, doctors software engs etc.etc
Even you must accept that. We can't have zero nett incomming migration.

New hospitals schools have to replace old. The vast majority of the 60 million odd here need new facilities.

What's your point.??

Too many blame everything on migration.






jimmy b - 03 May 2016 09:28 - 1489 of 12628

will ,
Migration into the UK is necessary we need migrant nurses, doctors software engs etc.etc
----------------

Yes we need those people on a points based system ,not hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers .
Every day coaches are arriving at Victoria Station The Romanian Express ,double deckers towing trailers one after another bringing in everybody and anybody .

VICTIM - 03 May 2016 09:28 - 1490 of 12628

Very concerning that someone needs to spend their job time on a BB than getting on with their job , maybe just a dreamer really .

cynic - 03 May 2016 09:34 - 1491 of 12628

exactly that jimmy

i saw somewhere in w/e press that a number of member countries would be very happy to join uk in an "eu outer circle", but confess i can't remember where i saw the article - and didn't get round to reading it either

Fred1new - 03 May 2016 10:21 - 1492 of 12628

Max,

TTIP.

No.

Explain what it is to me.

MaxK - 03 May 2016 10:28 - 1493 of 12628

You'll have to do some reading, here is a selection of articles on the deal.


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+is+TTIP

Fred1new - 03 May 2016 10:30 - 1494 of 12628

No,

You explain it to me.

Much easier!


8-)

VICTIM - 03 May 2016 10:30 - 1495 of 12628

It's the reason obama was here last week , not liked in Europe or wanted ,

MaxK - 03 May 2016 10:33 - 1496 of 12628

Here's some more Fred, but you'll have to do your own research.


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=australia+sued+by+ttip

jimmy b - 03 May 2016 10:38 - 1497 of 12628

Fred is thick and won't be able to get to grips with it ,he can't tell the difference between a trade agreement and road tolls.

MaxK - 03 May 2016 10:41 - 1498 of 12628

These two are all for it Fred, ring any alarms bells?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ttip-leaks-shocking-what-are-they-eu-us-deal-a7010121.html

Stan - 03 May 2016 10:42 - 1499 of 12628

Not peed off yet then JB?

Fred1new - 03 May 2016 10:45 - 1500 of 12628

I see Dumbo is prowling again.


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Max,

The bugger is in the detail and what is detail.

Also at the moment, it is Pie in the Sky, but you can see the intent.

How one forms an opinion, unless you are stunted in adolescence like Dumbo, is difficult and a bit like throwing a dart at a board.

But have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership


-===-=-=

It is above my pay grade.

Fred1new - 03 May 2016 10:47 - 1501 of 12628

Max,

I would shake hands with Obama, but if I was forced to shake hands with Cameron I would ask for a pair of gloves.

MaxK - 03 May 2016 10:56 - 1502 of 12628

It wont be if it gets the go ahead Fred.

If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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