The market seems to be selling-off on the back of limited bad news imo, apart from the dollar that is.

If you can hold your nerve and apart from any short term requirements to offload poor performing stocks, I have a couple!!, my advice would be sit tight. This does not have the feel of the tech(mining!) bubble at all. Difference being there are a lot of good fundamentals, unlike in 2000 when there were a lot of over rated nothing companies.

Evening all. Hi Alan, I think Saudi Arabia is seriously considering ditching the dollar peg and Kuwait has already done so.

Just revisited this thread after a couple of months and note the initial comments. I seems that first sell-off mentioned was absolutely spot on!

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I've already said this, Darradev, that Kuwait has benefit from ditching their peg to US...see post 1424

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wall-street-fears-for-next-great-depression-796428.html

Wall Street fears for next Great Depression

Margareta Pagano, Business Editor

Sunday, 16 March 2008


Wall Street is bracing itself for another week of roller-coaster trading after more than $300bn (150bn) was wiped off the US equity markets on Friday following the emergency funding package put together by the Federal Reserve and JPMorgan Chase to rescue Bear Stearns.


One UK economist warned that the world is now close to a 1930s-like Great Depression, while New York traders said they had never experienced such fear. The Fed's emergency funding procedure was first used in the Depression and has rarely been used since.

A Goldman Sachs trader in New York said: "Everyone is in a total state of shock, aghast at what is happening. No one wants to talk, let alone deal; we're just standing by waiting. Everyone is nervous about what is going to emerge when trading starts tomorrow."

In the UK, Michael Taylor, a senior market strategist at Lombard, the economics consultancy, said on Friday night: "We have all been talking about a 1970s-style crisis but as each day goes by this looks more like the 1930s. No one has any clue as to where this is going to end; it's a self-feeding......................

Thanks Papalpower...I feel much better already...on a serious note...weird situation with South East Asia doing fine and the USA in the dumps...

Its weird all round.


March 16, 2008, 7:23 pm

Bear Stearns fetches $2 a share

Bear Stearns (BSC) got its buyout offer from JPMorgan Chase (JPM) Sunday night - but the all-stock deal is worth just $2 a share. Thats down from the $30 a share Bear closed at Friday and off from $170 last year. Earlier reports had the price ranging between $15 and $20 a share. The token price of Sundays announced deal shows how desperate Bear was to sell itself, and how concerned federal officials were about the possible knock-on effects of a Bear bankruptcy. Meanhile, JPMorgan is doing what it can to minimize the risks it is taking in buying a firm whose best customers fled last week amid a liquidity crisis, leaving behind a bunch of mostly also-ran businesses and a balance sheet full of toxic mortgage securities. A deal to merge Bear into a big rival is surely better for the markets than a Chapter 11 filing, but its hard to see this deal as a vote of confidence in the ailing financial sector.

Banks are going on cheap sale now.

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/investing/investing-strategy/2008/03/17/stearns-goes-pear-shaped-whos-next.aspx

Stearns Goes Pear Shaped...Who's Next?

It had to happen.

The US version of Northern Rock. Sort of.

For days, investors and central bankers had become ever more nervous about the collateral ....................

It's funny...you could come back in possibly ten years time and say :"you remember when you could buy such and such a stock at such a cheap price...if only..." that could be the situation now...the difficulty is calling the bottom !

It seems to be a recovering market from now on...

For once...could be some serious blue tomorrow morning....good night guys and don't dream of stocks too much (pss. I know I do!).

AIM market is still way above the 2003 lows. What people often fail to appreciate is that the AIM market is very illiquid, which means it takes a much longer time for large institutional holdings to be sold off, and so, it becomes a long drawn out process as some private investors go into denial stage and keep "buying the bargain"....and the price continues to fall as the large holders keep on selling, for as long as it takes to dump the required amount of stock.





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However, it does now seem to be forming a sharp downwards trend if you work from mid 2007 to now...........potential top and bottom points of the trend lines forming.

Worth a read :

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/great-unwind-has-started-avoid/story.aspx?guid=%7B1DC25DFD%2D3543%2D4CF4%2DBE26%2D74EA4B9C9330%7D&dist=TNMostRead

Very worrying. Do you get the feeling this is all being engineered, the HBOS scare thing being enigneering so that such measures as below can be passed through without causing too much panic, cause its all cause we want to stop these nasty traders and their rumours.........nothing to do with financial chaos thats getting out of control......... :


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7306058.stm


...............The banks want to be able to use a wider range of collateral, including mortgages, for Bank of England loans.

Mr King had been reluctant to allow that so he would not be seen as bailing out banks that had behaved foolishly................


............. "Although the Governor of the Bank, Mervyn King, asked them not to divulge what they discussed, I have learned he signalled - for the first time - that he was sympathetic to their request that in an emergency they should be able to swap a wider range of assets, including their mortgages, for loans from the Bank of England," the BBC's business editor said. ............

From Telegraph...
Still, investors are clearly nervous. The euphoria which greeted the smaller than expected cut in the US base rate has given way to more sombre analysis, as investors have found themselves tripping over rumours of more and more banks in trouble. Those who have a more fatalistic outlook might be reminded of the old Jewish joke about a rabbi who falls out of a 20th-storey window and, as he passes each floor, mutters to himself: "So far, so good.

Good debate guys...(like reading your comments)...hope we can guess where the bottom is....could be some increases in the run up to Christmas...those that can short at the moment might make some money (I'm no good at cfd's and spreadbets) ...hopefully the markets will turn around soon !

I know I have of late been on about a late summer respite (US elections) before big problems in 2009.

Perhaps these quoted snippets might suggest that what happened before, might be happening all over again..........

If the signs are in the tea leaves, it might be wise to have no stock holdings before April 2009...........


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"....this inflation of the money supply that led to an unsustainable boom in both asset prices (stocks and bonds) and in capital goods. By the time the Fed belatedly tightened in 1928, it was far too late....".

"...government efforts to prop up the economy after the crash of 1929 only made things worse."

"...the Federal Reserve purchased $1.1 billion of government securities from February to July 1932 which raised its total holding to $1.8 billion."

"The solution was the government must pump money into consumers' pockets. That is, it must redistribute purchasing power, maintain the industrial base, but re-inflate prices and wages to force as much of the inflationary increase in purchasing power into consumer spending."

"There was a brief recovery in the market into April 1930, but prices then started falling steadily again from there, not reaching a final bottom until July 1932."

"...the nominal interest rate is close or equal to zero, and the monetary
authority is unable to stimulate the economy with traditional monetary policy tools."

"...that a liquidity trap might have contributed to bank failures."


Source(s):
http://www.mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
http://www.greatdepressionsbook.com/
http://www.gusmorino.com/pag3/greatdepression/

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Lots of media articles now suggesting "time to buy" and historically at least this may be correct. Tax year end selling is nearly over, and so, as this hits of lots shares, shares are usually cheap now, which gives a rally in April, before the "Sell in May" happens and then the markets go into their summer state of depression.

So yes, perhaps there could be 4 to 6 weeks of respite ahead and cheerier markets, but will it all end in tears again in May/June ?

The question this year will no doubt be more focussed on the "Sell in May" and how many will utilise any April rally to bail out. There must be some serious margin pressure around with the falls of late.

Attached is the AIM chart for 07 to 08. The AIM index is presently at the bottom of the trend line imv, so its time to bounce up for a while at least, and looking at last year April was good, so again it would suggest that potential for a few weeks it might turn bullish, before the summer selling strikes come May.



At a guess, good time to buy for a short term rally, but beware as it is very likely to turn down again before too long. Of course, any bad news from the US or Europe could smack any rally down at any stage. Also, how much are insitutions still looking for cash and will sell into any rally, which in effect will mute its power ?

Lots of questions, and a multitude of potenial opinions, in general means volatility.

Sadly the FED hid the M3 figures from mid 2006 onwards, they say it was not important, however its more likely that it was showing in advance that everything was going to go very very bad. So, the data was hidden.

This is the chart up to mid 2006, and it shows where the "house price boom" came from.

I just wonder what the chart looks like from mid 2006 to today...........





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