Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Plans for EU army laid bare
A leaked German policy paper has revealed proposals to establish an EU army, clearly advocating plans for a joint headquarters and shared military assets. This would involve the UK surrendering control over our national defence to Brussels bureaucrats. The IN campaign claim that there are no plans for a European army, but this just adds to the evidence which discredits their protestations.

Jean-Claude Juncker has previously called for the introduction of an EU army, while the European Commission itself described EU defence integration as ‘not just a political option but a strategic and economic necessity’. The main party in the European Parliament, the European People’s Party, has now adopted the creation of a single EU army as one of its manifesto goals.
This is yet another example of the EU’s relentless drive towards further integration. If we vote to stay in the EU, it means handing over more money and more power to Brussels. The prospect of having our defence policy dictated by the EU will be a huge concern to British troops as well as the public at large. It is clear that the safer choice is to take back control on 23 June.

Dumbo,

If you were Germany, France, Italy etc. and the UK brexiters get their way and vote out of Europe, would you trust the UK with helping you in the future in your defence.

I wouldn't trust the present con party government in any deal.

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Hear Cameron is starting another U-turn.

You know who I mean.

Your old hero.

What a bunch of creepers the present government is made up from.

Pickles defending his masters looked like a shrinking violet.

You must be on permanent anti depressants Freda , there seems nothing anywhere at all worth agreeing with to you .

It is said that a pessimist sees the world as it really is.

I've never been the most optimistic person , in fact my pessimism probably cost me over the years , but the thought of continuing in the EU is making me scared for these Nations . Daily we hear of EU plans and the more i hear makes me realise it's no good . Too much for rest of world not enough for it's own people .

That just about sums you up Fred .

Save your breath, you Right Wing idiots are in no position to judge others.

Another break for the nurse .

Never mind Victim, it may never happen. The sun is shining, go out and enjoy it for goodness sake.
I watched our Dave waffling in front of the Commons liaison committee yesterday. Sleeves rolled up, rosy cheeks, ready to battle for Britain again. He knew he wouldn't be waterboarded so his replies to the brexit tories were designed to last until time out without actually saying anything. Pure gobbledegook. There was a labour bird on the committee who asked why he was even having a referendum when it endangered our security so much. There's democracy for you. She should spend more time in her constituency instead of the Westminster bubble and she may pick up some valuable clues.
I have other things to do today, so a last rant. Gordon Taylor, the PFA chief executive, wants the Leicester City stars knighted for winning the Premier League. He may be on the pop or ecstasy but clearly out of his mind either way. How these people get high ranking jobs is beyond my understanding.

Oh no iturama i'm as happy as i ever was , making the most of this unusual weather , setting out garden , planning trips etc . If we can rid ourselves of this cloud overhanging us be even better .

Bravado from the Victims now.. just how much more pathetic are you lot going to get?

By your standards I'd say quite a way to go yet .

Is Greece just weeks away from another debt crisis?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/04/is-greece-just-weeks-away-from-another-debt-crisis/

Trouble is with that situation Maxk is some will see it as a reason to stay in , thinking if we get in trouble the EU comes along and sorts it .Which we know isn't true .

I just voted in the London mayor election, making sure I didn't pick a second choice. It is not difficult to work out how I voted.

New EU border proposals make us less safe
The unelected European Commission yesterday confirmed plans to give Turkey visa-free access to the EU’s passport-free travel area. This will create a free travel zone from the Syrian border right up to the English Channel. Our NHS and public services are already under huge strain, but plans to expand the EU to include countries such as Turkey and Albania with millions of new citizens will only increase that pressure.
The EU refuses to address the root cause of the migration crisis – the EU’s borderless travel area. Brussels’ answer to every crisis is simply ‘more Europe’. Indeed, the Commission said this week that the passport-free Schengen area is ‘one of the greatest achievements of the European Union’.
We disagree. So do security and intelligence experts including the former head of Interpol Ronald K. Noble and the US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who have pointed out that the EU’s open-borders system is allowing terrorists to enter the EU and is a danger to our national security. Even the EU’s own border agency, Frontex, admitted the EU makes us less safe.
It is clear that the safer choice for our national security and our public services is to take back control of our borders and Vote Leave on 23 June.

For those who wish suicide and take the rest of the UK with them!

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Japan's Abe says Brexit would make UK less attractive for Japanese investors
LONDON | BY ESTELLE SHIRBON AND MICHAEL HOLDEN

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe cautioned Britain on Thursday that a vote to leave the European Union in a June 23 referendum would make Britain less attractive for Japanese investors.

"A vote to leave would make the UK less attractive as a destination for Japanese investment," Abe, who leads the world's third largest economy, said through a translator at a news conference with Prime Minister David Cameron.

Abe's intervention in Britain's referendum campaign comes less than two weeks since U.S. President Barack Obama bluntly warned Britain that it would be "in the back of the queue" for a trade deal with the United States if it dropped out of the EU.

While Abe said that EU membership was a matter for the British people, he added that Japanese interests were also at stake in the referendum.

"Japan very clearly would prefer Britain to remain within the EU," Abe said. "Many Japanese companies set up their operations in the UK precisely because the UK is a gateway to the EU."

Abe said about 1,000 Japanese companies operate in the UK employing 140,000 people.

Cameron said Britain benefited more from Japanese investment than from any other country apart from the United States. He said Japan had investments worth a total of 38 billion pounds in Britain.

"Japanese firms see Britain as the gateway to Europe," said Cameron, who called the referendum and is leading the campaign to keep Britain in the club it joined in 1973.

A British exit would unleash volatility in foreign currency, stock and bond markets, undermine post-World War Two European efforts toward integration and raise questions about the 21st Century fate of Britain's $2.9 trillion economy.

"Britain's friends around the world, including Japan, will be watching your decision on June 23 with very close attention," Abe said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-japan-eu-idUKKCN0XW12C?feedType=nl&feedName=ukdailyinvestor&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=UK%20Technology%20Roundup%202016-05-05&utm_term=UK%20Technology%20Roundup

Well Fred, you will soon know who your true friends are.