Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

stan - before you berate uk businesses, just check out where most of all the extra jobs are going in US

No berating there Alf.. just evidence that you and the other "Con" artist voters don't like.

i make no comment other than already made

In other words you agree with the evidence provided.

Look out Stan's got an opinion . IN or OUT Stan ????????????????????????

Oh it's you again.. who rang your bell?

"Nowhere Man"


He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody

Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man, please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command

He's as blind as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?

Nowhere Man, don't worry
Take your time, don't hurry
Leave it all till somebody else lends you a hand

Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man, please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command

He's a real Nowhere Man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody

Listen to Boris - he makes a lot of sense to me .......
I have thought we should be out for years, as worked with EU on Aid Projects and was paid very well, but did not get half as much as the EU delegates themselves.

We will be far better off out. Give me some good arguments why we should stay in.

I invite anybody to try and convince me to vote to stay in.

Of course it will not be easy initially, and may take us a couple of years to get our EU shackles off, but given say 3 or 4 years we will prosper more than those remaining in. If we leave, it may only be a matter of time before Greece leaves and maybe Italy. Maybe France and Germany are now secretly wishing they were not in any more.

We should show GUTS and start this ball rolling.

kirky - read 138 (yes, i know it's mine) for it may give you something on which to ponder

In about 2-3 yrs time, the wholeof the EU will be wanting to join up with us and form a new and much enlarged United Kingdom and create the United Kingdom of Europe.

:-)

But of course, only if we vote to leave the EU.

kirky , i'm with you

Give me some good arguments why we should stay in.
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I invite anybody to try and convince me to vote to stay in.
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Nothing but nothing could convince me to vote in ,i have wanted out since the 90's and now 10 times more ...

What about the french aircraft carrier which we can borrow on the odd occasion? Presumbly that cosy arrangement will come to an end? Or is that a NATO agreement?

Fred I believe you are for staying in perhaps you can give an argument for staying, it would help give some balance as most on here seem to be Leavers. Serious question Fred.
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251,

I gave it 12-18mths ago.

I am not going "retype" or C+P it.

But, I think for the UK to leave the EU is madness and the renegotiations (at what cost) would take years and be ground down by the hostility of the remaining members.

I think it is time for some in the UK to grow up, stop behaving like spoilt kids who can't get their own ways. Also, consider the mutual advancements in the ECC, EU and the UK over the last 50 odd years.

There are minor problems with the EU. The UK should spend its energy on convincing
other members of the EU that the UK's conclusions are correct and modify the opinions of the others in the organisation.

All dynamic organisations have developmental problems which should be addressed.

Thank you Fred.

i don't agree with fred that "there are minor problems with the EU"
imo, they are pretty major and will get worse

i think i have set out in quite a balanced way in post 138 what i think is likely to happen if we leave ....... it is then up to the individual how he votes ..... in fred's case, i doubt that he'll break the habit of a lifetime

Nobody asked you Wally features -):

I also disagree with Fred and whilst there are no reasons given by him for staying in, in his post, I thank him for his response.
Many EU countries have large sections of citizens that are anti the EU and if the migrant problems, which are far from minor do not get sorted quickly, (no signs of that happening soon), then more will join their ranks.

As far as negotiating I believe the cost of staying in will be far greater than leaving and not just monetarily, DC's was hardly a negotiation, he capitulated. DC will not be the PM if the vote is to leave, so a stronger argument from a stronger PM should result.

Large parts of the UK have become 'no go' area's, this will get worse imo if immigration is not curbed soon. Too many councils pussyfoot around the Muslim communities for fear of racism allegations. Most Muslims seem to be law abiding and generally want to fit in, however there is a growing number who do not.

Our news reporters, royalty etc cover their head when in Muslim countries as a mark of respect, yet many when they come here want to continue as if still in their own country, (Sharia Law/so called honour killing/genital mutilation, for example).
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Where's TANKER when you need him ?