Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Cameron has been a poor PM since winning the second election for the tories, but most important is the trouble on how Cameron has handled this referendum will always be remembered as his poor legacy and the question will never go away as it will be deemed that it did not get settled democratically and fairly.

For this and many other things, I am for OUT and bring Boris Johnson as a new PM after Cameron resigning

Yes and they're still using the mickey mouse hypothetical equation's
to make it look as if each household would lose 4,200 pounds.

They believe that even if something is untrue, the more they repeat it
the more it'l become the truth.

Vote Leave have been nominated the lead out campaigners who are relying
on the economic arguement, then they really need to get their act together
and start taking the fight to the remainer's and to the general voting public.

Otherwise the lying deceiving stay side will be triumphant, and there certainly
won't be another chance to leave this corrupt , undemocratic, unaccountable
organisation!!...

Haven't seen it myself but apparently Dave's claiming that Brexit could lead to World war 3 , in some papers .

Desperation.....







David Cameron: Brexit could lead to Europe descending into war


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/08/cameron-brexit-will-increase-risk-of-europe-descending-into-war/

P 1625

He means in his own rag tail party.

There is one problem.

Work out what Putin and cohorts are planning and prepared to do against a disorganised Europe.

Already, flying reconnaissance trips around the UK coastline.

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Corrected.

Flippancy.

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Fred.

Stop it, you know better, or at least you should!

Just ask your self , why is it disorganised then is it because it's not democratic and the members seeing this now .

i do not recognise "recognisance" as an english word .... perhaps it's one of those mangled european inventions

Also, partially due to some members more interesting in pirating the systems and disorganising the organisation, concentrating on self-gain rather than mutual gain.

Well I can think of Germany , who are you thinking about Freda .

Have to look back at the most disruptive "members".

Can't think of one at the moment.

The broom handle is getting in the way.

Just brush up on your German .

Here we come, me too please ..............

BREXIT POLLS: UK Sparks Desire For Referendums Elsewhere In Europe

LONDON (Alliance News) - A new poll on Monday demonstrated the effect the Brexit referendum is having on citizens of Britain's European Union partners as nearly half said they also would like to vote on their countries' memberships.

A poll from Ipsos Mori found 45% of voters in the big eight European Union countries want to be able to vote on whether their country remains a member of the bloc. The poll covered over 6,000 respondents in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Sweden, Hungary and Poland.

Of those saying they would like to vote, a third said they would opt to leave the EU if given the opportunity, the firm found.

The highest support for leaving came in Italy and France, where 48% and 41% of respondents who want a vote saying they would vote to leave. This compared to only 22% of 'out' supporters in Poland and 26% in Spain among those who want a vote on the matter.

The same poll found nearly half of the respondents thought the Brexit vote posed a risk of contagion, saying that should Britain leave, other countries would follow.

Elsewhere, a YouGov poll conducted for ITV's Good Morning Britain show found 42% of respondents plan to vote to remain in the EU, against 40% in the leave camp.

More conclusively, the Institute of Directors published a survey which found business leaders split 63% to 29% in favour of remaining in the EU. The survey found 60% said access to the single market is important to their company, but 75% think the EU will need to reform in order to prevent an economic decline in the bloc.

More than half the directors surveyed by the IoD said Brexit would post a "significant" challenge for their business, though a similar proportion said the UK could ultimately prove an economic success outside the EU.

"Companies don?t have a unanimous view on the referendum. However our survey shows business leaders more than 2 to 1 in favour of Remain with the gap widening as the vote nears," said IoD Director-General Simon Walker.

"That said, IoD members are concerned about the way the EU operates, with three-quarters saying it is over focused on top-down policy solutions," he added.

You'll have Freda on you mentor , watch out .

UK Sparks Desire For Referendums Elsewhere In Europe
a very rare occasion that we agree, but this time wholeheartedly so

i am 99% certain that "in" will carry the day, but i shall be doing my bit to ensure that it is as close as possible ........ and i very much hope it will be sufficiently close for that coterie of smug eurocrats to be shaken into making meaningful and all too necessary reforms

Manuel,

I thought when you use the word "coterie", you were going to apply it to No 10 cabinet of ex-etonian sycophants.

What a bunch of yesterday's never-weres they are!

I do like it when Wavy Dave sends out toadying Michael Fallon to defend his use of failed smearing tactics.

Standards suitable for a banana republic.

"recognisance" is certainly a word. It is often used in a court setting. It is a bit like bail. Someone is either bailed or has to do something 'in his own recognisance'. In other words there will be a monetary penalty for failure to do as the courts says. However, the use in the post above was certainly wrong.

Does he mean reconnaissance .

How many of you outers also collect stamps? just as a matter of interest.