robstuff
- 19 Aug 2005 11:41
Previously Crown Corp, CCO. Institutional interest now and the Co has changed it's name for a fresh beginning. Still very speculative, but what isn't? but just a case of investing the huge amount of Cash sitting in a Brazilian bank a/c. There's no real difference here to an emerging markets investment fund apart from the obvious and very attractive discount to NAV of approx 75% !!!!!
Obe2konobi
- 11 Oct 2005 16:26
- 164 of 373
Hi BOOBOO
Looks like being BOOHOO for awhile now. Don`t understand why this cash rich company is so oversold. Has the money been carried away in suitcases to the Bahamas or something ?! Why doesn`t anyone like companies making money anymore ? Anybody would think the interim results showed a massive loss not millions of pounds gain !!!!....if I had any spare cash I`d be buying more to average down ....quite heavily I would hope...but I haven`t got any...I wonder if I contact Stuart Pearson....he`s got alot of cash on his hands !!!....looks like my time scale for profit has to be extended a tad !! Good luck all.
iturama
- 11 Oct 2005 17:12
- 165 of 373
Some further fund buying~
RNS Number:4942S
Universities Superannuation Scheme
11 October 2005
Date of Disclosure 11/10/05
DISCLOSURE UNDER RULES 8.1(a), 8.1(b)(i) and 8.3
OF THE CITY CODE ON TAKEOVERS AND MERGERS
Date of dealing 5/10/05
Dealing in LANGBAR INTERNATIONAL LTD (name of company)
1) Class of securities (eg ordinary shares) COMMON EUR 0.001 SHARES
2) Amount bought Amount sold Price per unit
200,000 - #0.60
3) Resultant total of the same class owned or controlled
(and percentage of class) 3,420,000 (1.96%)
4) Party making disclosure UNIVERSITIES SUPERANNUATION SCHEME LIMITED
RNS Number:4944S
Universities Superannuation Scheme
11 October 2005
Date of Disclosure 11/10/2005
DISCLOSURE UNDER RULES 8.1(a), 8.1(b)(i) and 8.3
OF THE CITY CODE ON TAKEOVERS AND MERGERS
Date of dealing 6/10/2005
Dealing in LANGBAR INTERNATIONAL LTD (name of company)
1) Class of securities (eg ordinary shares) COMMON EUR 0.001 SHARES
2) Amount bought Amount sold Price per unit
400,000 - #0.59
3) Resultant total of the same class owned or controlled
(and percentage of class) 3,820,000 (2.19%)
4) Party making disclosure UNIVERSITIES SUPERANNUATION SCHEME LTD
belisce6
- 12 Oct 2005 00:00
- 166 of 373
andyeds,
just checked the LSE website, and then realised that none of the Oct RNSs for LGB show up on MAM (for me).......
and sure enough, there is a big long being closed, and a major share-holder selling at low price a couple of percent of the company (but still remaining with about 19%)......
i assume the sp has been held back so that they can all get on board........
would tie in nicely with the insto's getting in......
stockdog
- 12 Oct 2005 05:32
- 167 of 373
Alternatively, belisce6, the sp was held back so the major share-holder could offload 2% at a nice low price - I don't think so, do you?
Since the price is being held way low on sentiment, sentiment must be taken to be the dominant factor over fundamentals that is governing the SP. The sentiment is evidently speaking its mind currently. So I guess, we all have to wait for a change in sentiment for a decisive change in the SP - who knows in which direction. I'd need it to be dma-breakingly northward before entering the debate with hard currency. The safest entry point would be as it breaks the July 100p high. You may miss out on the first 50p, but you capture the next 50p much more safely. However, I do not expect many PI's who also read BB's will be taking this advice - atque mea culpa.
sd
paulmasterson1
- 12 Oct 2005 07:46
- 168 of 373
Hi All,
Those who remember my posts on FYB, the one's I was suspended for, and decided not to go back .... well here you have the proof that I was posting a perfectly valid statement, by suggesting that LGB would suspend the stock, pending a revaluation, this has happened today, so LOL at FYB !!!!
Statement re. Suspension
RNS Number:5412S
Langbar International Limited
12 October 2005
Langbar International Limited ("the Company")
The Company announces today that it has requested the suspension of trading in
its common shares of Euro 0.001 each in the capital of the Company with
immediate effect pending independent verification of certain of the assets of
the Company.
robstuff
- 12 Oct 2005 08:53
- 169 of 373
Excellent, independent verification and true value to come..what price will it start trading at, any guesses?
Pommy
- 12 Oct 2005 10:06
- 170 of 373
So paul , what else do you know?
BOOBOO
- 12 Oct 2005 10:23
- 171 of 373
Must say, I am mightily relieved. Couldn't sleep last night. Carrying a bigger loss than ever and have broken all my own rules on when its time to jump off (the investment that is, not the cliff). Come on Pauly give us a clue about a possible re entry level?
akel44
- 12 Oct 2005 10:27
- 172 of 373
there are so many rumours good and bad flying around about this on other sites
its hard, what to believe, but raf shares have gone up today,
iturama
- 12 Oct 2005 10:31
- 173 of 373
Rybak has been selling over recent days. It would be informative to know why. I suspect that interested institutions might have requested he reduce his stake, but it would be helpful to see that in print.
RNS Number:5284S
Dr Mariusz Rybak
11 October 2005
FORM 8.3
DEALINGS BY PERSONS WHO OWN OR CONTROL 1% OR MORE OF ANY CLASS OF RELEVANT
SECURITY
(Rule 8.3 of The City Code on Takeovers and Mergers)
Name of purchaser/vendor * Dr Mariusz Rybak
Company dealt in Langbar
International
Relevant security dealt in Ordinary shs
If a connected EFM, name of offeree/offeror with which N/a
connected
If a connected EFM, nature of connection # N/a
Date of dealing Most recent date
11th
DEALINGS +
Amount bought Price per unit (currency must be stated)
Amount sold Price per unit (currency must be stated)
500,000 56p
Resultant total amount and percentage of the same
relevant security owned or controlled 34,100,892 19.69%
Previously undisclosed trades detailed below
Date of dealing No. Shares Buy/Sell Price Resultant Total Percentage
4 Oct 2005 750,000 Sell 64.38p 37,550,892 21.68%
6 Oct 2005 2,100,000 Sell 55.19p 35,450,892 20.47%
7 Oct 2005 600,000 Sell 61.5p 34,850,892 20.12%
10 Oct 2005 250,000 Sell 59.8p 34,600,892 19.98%
IS A SUPPLEMENTAL FORM 8 (DERIVATIVE)/FORM 8 (OPTION) ATTACHED? NO
Date of disclosure 11th October 2005
Grandma
- 12 Oct 2005 10:42
- 174 of 373
Help please. What do LOL & FYB stand for ?
Obe2konobi
- 12 Oct 2005 11:09
- 175 of 373
Hi Granny
LOL is short for laughing out loud....FYB is another BB bulletin Board...on another site.
paulmasterson1
- 12 Oct 2005 11:16
- 176 of 373
Hi All,
We know these have a NAV of over 2, an independent valuation might raise that.
They should IMVHO be trading at no more than a 20% discount to NAV, so 1.60+ is the target.
Cheers,
PM
Pommy
- 12 Oct 2005 11:24
- 177 of 373
Yes but do we know the NAV is good?
Are there really no claims on this money?
I suspect Pearson is sick of the unbelievers as are the companies brokers and has had enough of it all.
belisce6
- 12 Oct 2005 11:56
- 178 of 373
iturama,
that is what i was trying to get at.......he has reduced by about 2% i think, at a time that they have been doing the rounds and getting some institutions on board etcetc..........so he's either been asked to pass over part of his parcel, or simply had to reduce in order to get them the price they wanted (or something to that effect)........On the other hand he may have simply been reducing his stake (but at such a low price ???)
and perhaps out of it all (the City rounds) came the notion that they should get their assets independantly valued.......
although it is always possible that the negative perception of these events can also be true........
belisce6
- 12 Oct 2005 11:58
- 179 of 373
i imagine that the "pending independent verification of certain of the assets of
the Company." part has to do with verifying that they can in fact get their hands on their Brazilian money........
iturama
- 12 Oct 2005 13:18
- 180 of 373
The Rybek sales are a concern and may have triggered the suspension. Why would he sell at a third of the claimed NAV value? If it was due to institutional pressure, he could have done a private sale to those institutions.
I suspect SP is a bit concerned about the second tranche of cash (the $370M). I can't see any justification for the BOB holding that back, unless the original US$ had been converted into local currency, then applied in the money markets. This could well be the case and it is entirely feasible to have doubled the money, in US$ terms, in the period. The Brazilian Real has appreciated around 50% in the last two years against the US$ and internal interest rates have been very high.
The BOB would have no problem repatriating the original $ amount, plus interest. This amounts to $294M or 168M. This gives a bottom line NAV of over 1 per share.
The second tranche could have restrictions but SP appears to have resolved that, at least with the BOB. Lets hope so.
proptrade
- 12 Oct 2005 13:52
- 181 of 373
after being on the sidelines here my view is that this does NOT bode well. i think the valuation will come in far far lower than expected or even close to zero.
i am not scaring people here but in a mispricing situation that everyone has banged on about there is always a bit of smoke and fire and in this case if all was legit then these would trade at a small discount as opposed to the huge disc currently.
i wish holders luck but i think this valuation is at the request of regulators, the LSE or some other body. what the hell does it mean otherwise: "independent verification of certain of the assets of
the Company." - when is that good news?????????????????
paulmasterson1
- 12 Oct 2005 16:00
- 182 of 373
nm
paulmasterson1
- 12 Oct 2005 16:02
- 183 of 373
nm