have we got anybody out there holding this stock or am i the only one...really like this one ...have been holding for quite a while....cant work out why it keeps going down though...hasnt brought out any bad news although like many small stocks is news driven and whilst it doesnt bring out any news it flounders a bit....but saying that it has got very cheap now ....moneyam seems to have trades wrong though....i would say theyre buying for 4.12 and selling for 4.06 at the moment but most trades appear as sells....your thoughts would be appreciated

I disagree

Another GEM from gordgeko on advfn,

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It looks like the heat is on the MM's now - they are trying to drop it to get sells out as they need the stock, and now people are buying more and more.

Do not sell, even if they drop the bid to 2.5 or 2.25, its now the time to BURN the MM's fingers and keep buying more and more.

The drop in the offer price is to cover for a drop in the bid price soon to 2.5p to shake the tree and get more out, do not panic and do not let them.

BUY BUY BUY - its not going to be this cheap for long.

Over at ADVFN - 2 people are trying 1M buys at 3p and no chance - the MM's are short of stock and someone is going to get the ass reamed !!!

Barnyman,
I'm hanging on to the stock I have and would buy more if I could.
What I don't understand and hopefully, you can help me out here,
is, if the MMs are short of stock and want more, why wouldn't they increase the bid price ? surely they would get more stock as people are more likely to sell if they can see a profit. ?

"the heat is on", oh yeah :-)

OK..nice chart ?! but what happens next 2.5p... 2p...1.75p ?.

I'm now down to where I got in last Oct...should've got out when it hit 6 - 6.5p to sell and taken 100% profit..:(

Check this out:

Haystack - 16 Jun'04 - 13:24 - 16615 of 16622


For a number of reasons that I won't go into, I think this might have bottomed out for the present. On balance I suspect a rise is more likely now. My calculations are now indicting a price higher than 2.5p now.


Can you believe it, Haystacks gone bullish

Not bullish by any means.

I am still not happy with the business model, but it may rise in the short term. I am commenting on the price and NOT the value.

The market prices mainly on sentiment and demand. It often has very little to do woth value. Companies often trade a even half their net assets value even when that is in pure cash.

not happy about what part?

I have already discussed that before and I am not about to repeat it all again.

I just think that a rise in price is more likely now.

do you not think the Foroso deal set them up to be the European Webex, and look how well webex are doing, stunning frofits and revenues

interesting find on the advfn website

gordgeko - 16 Jun'04 - 14:04 - 16650 of 16657 edit


CHECK THIS OUT:

VTB looked to have bagged a deal at the SWEDISH stock exchange, STOCKHOLMBORSEN:

STOCKHOLMBORSEN LIVE!!!

http://www.stockholmsborsen.se/live/index.asp

Whats that worth?

Is it VTB. The link tells you very little except that you need Windows Media Player installed.

yes. It is VTB

It is from www.kamera.com (part of VTB)

Get your buying hats on tomorrow for VTB - ready to go - watch the buying volume.

I hope you're right Barmyman.. can't see it this going up for a while yet.. what's the reason for the optimism ?

JohnNew2001 - 17 Jun'04 - 02:29 - 16744 of 16744


There are 2 scenario's here :

A/ MM's are long and are sitting on millions of shares.

B/ MM's are short.

A is very unlikely as I have been watching and reading and observing, if they were long on stock they would have been happy to drop to offer price way earlier to off load their millions. They would not have been dropping only the bid price and also we would not have seen their people on here deramping. They would have sent rampers to all the BB's on many different sites.

B now is highly likely owing to to the change of tune of the previous derampers (not all of them, they have to keep some in deramp mode to make the BB look viable), that large volumes cannot be purchased at these prices (nobody can buy 1M or above shares) and there has been no real sells even with the price going down.

The MM's will now try to change tactic - they will manage an increase in the price until they get to a level where they get the necessary sells - standard system - people are down, some have been averaging down and you only have to raise it just enough before some bail out. They will fail if people do not sell and also more buy in to VTB.

Why hold ?

The fundamentals are fine, there is still nearly 3M in the bank cash that can be used to purchase more business to further boost the bottom line, trading for Q1 was a record and H1 should also be the same.

Therefore VTB is a buy. Provided we do not get the people who have averaged down bailing out the shareholders can now take the MM's by the balls and manage the price up. The MM's have a limited window of opportunity to correct their short, they now know they cannot achieve by going down - they have to manage the up but could easily screw that up. This is why the new comments of a small rise (but hey - its still not a good stock) - these comments are designed to get people to believe the small rise is short term, better to take profits or come out even and sell to the MM's.

Enjoy the rise - buy more - do not sell - and wait for the trading update on the 1st Half Year - it should be a record too - provided you accumulate and wait you will get maximum returns.

If people do not like the way MM's are screwing small caps in this bear market, VTB does now offer an opportunity to screw them IMHO.

There is another possibility which is even more likely. The MMs may just have a neutral position on the stock. The MMs may not be doing anything strange at all. I have seen no evidence of it.

look at the last weeks trades on advfn, they have sold a 3million and got none back, how can that be neutral

There are long term trades that don't appear on trade reports for a several weeks. There are trades that do not appear at all plus you have to look at what was happening in the weeks before. One week in isolation is nothing.

There are suggesttions on ADVFN that the MMs are short by 3M shares. That only comes to less than 100,000. This is not a huge sum for MMs to carry long or short for a period. They may be accumulating stock for a client anyway.

These conspiracy theories are invented by people who do not like the price going down and nothing more.