bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
explosive
- 24 May 2006 11:39
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Questions are relevant however we're all awaiting the answers to these hence the sp. If WM walks from the table the sp will crash, a deal signed it will rise. I'm confident a deal will be signed but no point speculating whilst I wait for news. Thats the excitement of this stock and why we agree potential is massive.
kimoldfield
- 24 May 2006 11:40
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By the way, should we ditch the camel, it's giving us a bumpy ride - let's stick to horses (we will have to buy a few more to accomodate the Riders)
oblomov
- 24 May 2006 11:42
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No bos, as someone who spreads rumours that cant be substantiated. I've no problem with his questions, except that I think he really knows the answers but would like to put a negative twist on them to wind us up.
rpaco
- 24 May 2006 11:45
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I cant imagine any way that WM (who I think own ASDA) will order GS until it has been proven to work in the field and in use, trouble free, for several months in 20 or 30 stores/or packing houses. Would you?
Because of the management's appaling ignorance and/or arrogance in not researching the basic marketing requirements for the product, we were stuck with a 2 year wait until reality dawned on them. Another year to go yet I reckon on GS.
Regarding Starpol, in todays ultra awareness of the necessity for re-cycling; only a lunatic would propose a new food packaging material that was not-recyclable.
If Starpol does not melt/weld under RF, friction or direct heat application, it will have serious disadvantages where sealed packages are needed (a high percentage I would guess) Introducing a glue or welding sheet as mentioned by GOTYA would mean an extra component and extra cost. AND render it non re-cyclable.
But to empahise with some others in the thread a couple of year back I sold firetone diamonds when they fell. I had some QXL at around 20p and sold when they fell and I sold Stagecoach at 25p! To look back on contract notes from 3 years ago makes one realise that we could all have been very much richer by ignoring the logical. SO I'm still in! Though I still say the managenment need replacing.
robinhood
- 24 May 2006 12:09
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rpaco- think management is trying hard and we all know that for a company with 52 names on the payroll it is not easy to get a foot in the door with the likes of asda and wm to name a few, but they have succeeded. I admit that some of the roll out problems could have been foreseen but replacing management is both totally uncalled for and in practical terms near impossible considering the CURRENT size of the company
GOTYA
- 24 May 2006 12:11
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Starpol does weld under RF rpaco.
However your analysis in the first line is good. WM will follow asda. Asda are yet to get any supplier to buy GS. Starpol and GS would then follow. Weeks/months later if it all works very well WM would enter deals.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded and does not understand fundemental change re engineering. In short it has and will continue to cost them in sp drops.
I'll leave it at that and let the russian control the board and freedom of speech until the time is right.
Good luck.
oblomov
- 24 May 2006 12:19
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rpaco, you say
'Because of the management's appaling ignorance and/or arrogance in not researching the basic marketing requirements for the product, we were stuck with a 2 year wait until reality dawned on them. Another year to go yet I reckon on GS.'
From the History of Tetrapak, link below
'After the first invention in 1944 it took nearly 10 years until a feasible material could be produced on a large scale. RubenRausing summarised the extent of the problem: Doing some-thing that nobody else has done before is actually quite hard.
http://www.tetrapak.com/docs/the%20history.pdf
SEO's management have and are doing just fine - they are 'Doing some-thing that nobody else has done before'. That takes time.
GOTYA
- 24 May 2006 12:22
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ps "The Management" I have huge respect for, seo are small and have achieved amazing progress.
It could and should have been done better, but the future is all that can be changed. They now have more experienced players like Martin W. They need to put more effort into sorting GS and need greater skilled capacity to add to the seo team. It should have been rather obvious from day 1 that packers could not/cannot afford down time on lines.
There is still much to do before any deals will drop so expect 7.5 - 12p as a guide. I'm not saying the sp will saty within these, it's purely my guess oblomov, but at least I'm making one based upon sound research and experience.
tweenie
- 24 May 2006 12:49
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Gotcha's gone soft.lol
parrisf
- 24 May 2006 15:45
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parrisf
Have followed this thread for some time. Just thought you'd like to know that I'm still in as well. Let's hope it's not like all my other penny shares REF, BS., GBINTL, and more.
greekman
- 24 May 2006 17:08
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Kimoldfield,
You say...The only problem I have with the delay is that during this time the competition, of which there is a lot, is catching up with SEO.
The thing is those other products will have to go through the same hoops as SEO.
It's often been said that when technology reaches the end product, other newer and better products are already on the drawing board. Think of it this way. Look at aircraft technology for example. The most modern aircraft that are flying today are probably about 5 to 10 years out of date in technology terms against those just reaching the design state. Hope the previous made sense. Well I understood it anyway.
kimoldfield
- 24 May 2006 17:40
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Yes, I think I understand GM, what you are saying is that the MOD will soon be retrofitting their fighter planes with Greenseal machines, so SEO will be real high flyers?!
I agree that the competition will have problems too, let's hope they are not first to solve them!
kim
garyble
- 24 May 2006 23:22
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Been out of the country for a couple of days and two things happen:
1: The sp recovers slightly...whooppeeee
2: Some geezer by the name of Gotya magically appears, spouts a load of drivel, the old II "GS is dead in the water" line and then promises to:
"I'll only post again when I know the GS commercials work and there's likely to be GS orders flowing as a result. I cannot be more helpful than that and I know when to stop hitting the wall with my head! Expect seo to trade between 7.5p and 12p until deals are done. The next correction will affect seo again; it will come!
Goodnight and good luck to those who have open minds and value debate".
.....only to continue bloody posting.
garyble
- 24 May 2006 23:28
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Another bit of bull:
"Starpol being made from strach and several other additives delivers full benefits but requires RF GS sealing inorder to retain the benefits of the enviro label. Yes you can heat seal starpol, but why bother? it defeats the objective"
Starpol is biodegradable, it can be heat sealed but if memory serves me right there could be an issue with cross-linking, which I recall could be some embrittlement of the seal. The "enviro label" as far as anyone is concerned is still intact as Starpol would still be biodegradle and would also be replacing a petro-plastic regardless of the sealing method.
sem3
- 25 May 2006 07:16
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Nice rns
hewittalan6
- 25 May 2006 07:18
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Its a wrap!!
someuwin
- 25 May 2006 07:33
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excellent.
oblomov
- 25 May 2006 07:38
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Thanks for clearing that up, gary.
Here is todays RNS
Wrap 100 FDA approval
Stanelco PLC
25 May 2006
25th May 2006
Stanelco plc ("Stanelco" or "the Company")
WRAP 100 receives US FDA approval
Stanelco is pleased to announce that FDA compliance for its new material, Wrap
100, has now been confirmed by Pira International (the UK approved testing house
for the FDA) for food contact approval.
This material's properties do not allow oil or moisture to pass through it,
whilst permitting moisture vapour to permeate out. It can be used for hot, fast
foods like burgers as it stops condensation occurring that can adversely affect
food quality. Unlike waxed paper, it is a fully biodegradable material with
obvious environmental benefits and can compete on a cost neutral basis with such
materials. Wrap 100 is significantly lighter than existing packing, which
presents potential cost savings and in addition will provide customers with
reduced transport costs and landfill taxes.
WRAP 100 is currently being trialled by a major quick service restaurant and has
passed preliminary testing. With this approval it can now undergo live trialling
in restaurants.
The material can be used in any application where waxed paper is used. In
addition due to its heat sealing qualities it is also possible to make bags out
of the material at a competitive cost relative to paper bags which have to be
glued. The approval allows the full range of applications to be live trialled in
the US by prospective customers, not just within the quick service restaurant
sector but across the retail sector in general.
Martin Wagner, CEO of Stanelco, commented:
"We are very excited about the opportunities for WRAP 100. It has properties
that will help significantly improve packaging quality in the fast food sector,
whilst at the same time providing benefits to the environment. FDA compliance
allows live trialling of the product and means that it can be sold for food
packaging applications within the USA.
"Stanelco continues to research and develop other new product ranges using our
IP to maintain our reputation as a market leader in new packaging materials and
systems across the globe.
"On another matter, I am pleased to update the position on Greenseal
communicated by our chairman at our recent AGM. We are continuing to make
significant strides with our Multivac conversions with trials into both a salad
and meat supplier to Asda going well. The Proseal AP60 currently being converted
for Hitchin Foods is consistently performing in our factory in Southampton
having run for 8 hours continuously for several days without any issues."
- Ends -
For further information please contact:
Martin Wagner, Chief Executive Officer
Stanelco PLC
Tel: +44 (0)2380 867 100
Jonathon Brill/Caroline Stewart
Financial Dynamics
Tel: +44 (0)20 7831 3113
About Stanelco plc
The Stanelco Group of companies (the Group) has brought together expertise in
radio frequency (RF) technology, RF applications and biodegradable material
sciences to create a revolutionary range of packaging technologies.
Stanelco's philosophy is that new products and processes must offer solutions
and applications which:
- give higher added value,
- are greener, more environmentally sustainable than those they replace and
- have protectable intellectual property rights.
Stanelco will develop the products and processes to a demonstration stage and
then work with partners in order to reach the markets; and under these
circumstances Stanelco will usually seek to license its technology. Stanelco
invests considerable time and resources in ensuring its technologies are
protected via layers of patents wherever possible.
In this way Stanelco believes it can minimise commercial risk and preserve the
highest value for shareholders.
The products offering the prospect of near term revenue generation are being
given priority over the Group's resources.
oblomov
- 25 May 2006 07:45
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greekman
- 25 May 2006 08:20
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Perhaps Wrap100 would be the one to replace wax type fast food wrappings.
http://www.pollutioninpeople.org/toxics/pfcs
Toxic Chemicals in Our Bodies
index page for Toxic Chemicals profiles
We tested blood, urine, and hair samples from ten Washingtonians for some of the toxic chemicals that are all around us - in our food, our air, our water, and the products we use every day.
We found many of these chemicals in all of our participants.
How am I exposed?PFCs are used in wide array of consumer products and food packaging.
Grease-resistant food packaging and paper products, such as microwave popcorn bags and pizza boxes, contain PFCs.
How can I reduce my exposure......Stay away from greasy or oily packaged fast foods, as the packages often contain grease-repellent coatings. Examples include microwave popcorn bags, french fry boxes, and pizza boxes.