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IS PARTY GAMING A GOOD BET (PRTY)     

moneyplus - 27 Jun 2005 18:57

This one hit the markets running today. Despite negative publicity it was well supported so I jumped in for a small holding--anyone else joining in?? I am hoping for a good run up before the shorters get going.

slkhlaw - 04 Oct 2006 08:37 - 170 of 346

stockbunny, I think you are right. It is only 90% of the revenue generated from US. I do apologise for the mistake.

stockbunny - 04 Oct 2006 11:47 - 171 of 346

Interesting...notification of buy of PRTY shares by Barclays.

Fundamentalist - 04 Oct 2006 13:00 - 172 of 346

Bunny

i see they dipped below the 3% last week but have just gone back above, may only have been very small transactions that took them either side or a cracking sell and rebuy (if they had sold their whole holding) - id guess its the former

slkhlaw - 04 Oct 2006 13:15 - 173 of 346

Some of these institutions would like to bail themselves out so they issue a positive statements.

stockbunny - 04 Oct 2006 13:28 - 174 of 346

Thanks Fundy, your thoughts are always sound :>)

e t - 05 Oct 2006 07:27 - 175 of 346



Daily Telegraph - 05/10/2006

Credit card punters face online betting ban - By Simon Goodley


Millions of UK credit card users could be blocked from betting online in the wake of the US Congress passing laws curbing payments for internet gambling in America. Two of the UK's most popular credit cards - MBNA and Capital One - have refused to rule out barring customers from gaming sites.

The news emerged after weekend moves to outlaw payments to online gambling sites by US-based banks and credit card firms - a development that saw the value of online gambling companies listed in London drop by 3.5bn on Monday.

APACS, the payment industry's trade association, predicted that some American companies operating in the UK could now look to impose a ban.

"They may take the decision because of corporate structure, if a chief executive knows that he risks arrest next time he steps off a plane in the US," said Sandra Quinn, the director of corporate communications for APACS.

A spokesman for MBNA, which has seven million credit cards out of a total British market of 69.9m, declined to rule out a policy change. "We're watching the developments in the US regarding the new legislation. It is a bit too early to say anything at the moment, but we will keep an eye on it," he said.

Meanwhile, Capital One, which has headquarters in Falls Church, Virginia, and has more than four million UK customers, said it was unable to make a comment, although Morgan Stanley insisted it had no plans to introduce a ban.

Despite online betting being completely legal in the UK, American Express blocked its card holders from placing online bets 10 years ago. Citibank followed lead two years ago when it justified its actions by saying it was applying "best practice established by Citi Cards in the US".

At the time, it added: "We believe that our action will help limit potential risks of fraud, money laundering and the often undesirable financial impact that gambling on credit may have on individuals, and is therefore in the best interests of Citi Cards UK and its customers."

rpaco - 05 Oct 2006 17:24 - 176 of 346

Anyone reckon it will go lower than 28p.?

slkhlaw - 05 Oct 2006 18:55 - 177 of 346

Fair value according to my valuation is 16p or lower. So, if you ask me if it would go lower than 28p, the answer is yes, it will, probably after a few profit warnings.

HARRYCAT - 05 Oct 2006 20:25 - 178 of 346

rpaco - that's almost a spread betting question. Are you playing the points game?
imo, with PRTY falling out of the FTSE, 28p is a distinct possibilty.

Fundamentalist - 05 Oct 2006 20:33 - 179 of 346

slkhlaw

would you care to share the details behind your fair value of 16p ?

Bones - 05 Oct 2006 21:02 - 180 of 346

The purpose of the dividend cancellation is not to "waste" over $100m on shareholders (the majority being the founders) now that the US cash flows have dried up. Better, they feel, to buy out at low prices the many distressed smaller operators who, along with their US players, will have a good database of European/Asian players up for grabs. Party will be aggressive in expanding market share now ex-USA, and there's a lot to go for. The smaller operators will be swallowed up big time by the big players.

This was always likely over time but it is now urgent. It wouldn't surprise me if UKBetting is one of the targets (given UKB's announcement). Party already have Gamebookers but an extension of their non-poker interests ex-USA is sensible.

Rumours of PRTY's demise is a touch premature methinks. The poker world ex-USA has a lot of expanding to do. Remember that the USA move is wholly rampant protectionism. All this morality talk is political hogwash.

HARRYCAT - 05 Oct 2006 21:14 - 181 of 346

Fair enough, but approx 85% of PRTY revenue derived from the USA. They now have to return the stake money of all of those customers, some winners, some losers.
That leaves PRTY with a customer base of approx 15% of the original. Others now look to be in a stronger position, but I agree, PRTY not dead yet.
I wonder if they are regretting parting company with Empire Online way back.

cynic - 05 Oct 2006 21:17 - 182 of 346

PRTY may not yet be dead, but why stay around until the vultures arrive?

Bones - 05 Oct 2006 21:59 - 183 of 346

you are a cynic, Cynic!

cynic - 05 Oct 2006 22:04 - 184 of 346

but is it not a fair observation?

HARRYCAT - 05 Oct 2006 22:16 - 185 of 346

Spot on for those not trapped in. Difficult to bear for those still holding.

AndrewThomson77 - 05 Oct 2006 22:17 - 186 of 346

On Working Lunch yesterday (wednesday), they gave PRTY a fair value of around 25p.

I don't hold this share.

seawallwalker - 05 Oct 2006 22:21 - 187 of 346

A born cynic.

Thank goodness for that!

Bones - 06 Oct 2006 00:31 - 188 of 346

I'm commenting because I am interested to hear the "outsider's" viewpoint. By that I mean someone who maybe doesn't use the poker software. I play there occasionally and know the industry quite well, but have never owned any gaming shares including PRTY.

IMO Party will be aggressive with the rest of the world market and will make good money. However, the current share price is probably fair allowing even for that growth potential (ex-USA).

By the way, HTC, no-one is "trapped" in the share. They can sell and take the loss! Be glad it's a highly traded liquid share :)

alanatml2 - 06 Oct 2006 07:42 - 189 of 346

It would seem that infringements of civil liberties are imposed by the republican Party in stopping gamblers transferring their funds through existing banking systems. Test cases by individuals against their banks will bedevil the new legislation for years. We await legal actions commencing as acts of gambling are NOT illegal at the point of sale. Transferring funds is NOT illegal at the point of contact between punter and bank.
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