starting this thread, which i hope will be short-lived, to keep the board up to date with latest reports gleaned from the net

hmm! .... an unconvincing post MN, except for a dedicated fence-sitter

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M

Apologies if I have categorised your pigeon hole incorrectly, I can only conclude from what I read and then understand (clearly not a lot).

As to the military establishment not being very good at thinking, you'd probably be surprised at the reality. In any event the military do not decide to take action, that decision is taken for them.

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I liked the underlining.

Reminded me of a petticoat.

8-)

it will end in tears !!!

M

Whilst there must always be a degree of acceptance by 'the Top Brass', the point remains, they do not make the decision. I would also re-assert my comment re military thinking - it is the military who determine the manner in which the assigned task is undertaken; God forbid the politicians had to think that one through.

Gadaffe will be gone by Monday IMHO

in God's ear .... unfortunately i think He is currently preoccupied with the fine detail of GO's budget!

Doubt it Mr.C more like planning his holiday to Venezuela

Gadaffe reccy

He = God ..... i suspect God may even regard venezuela as the counterbalance to eden!

PS - naughty boy! .... your link is dated september 2009

Yes I know but maybe he was planning ahead.

ABC News report about a Libyan air force jet shot down for violating no-fly zone: it was a single-engine Galeb, apparently. It was shot down by a French fighter.

A Tripoli resident, unnamed for obvious reasons, tells BBC's Newshour: "I'm not exaggerating if I say tens of thousands of young people are arrested. Look, we cannot even now stay close to each other, three four people, for a couple of minutes talking or chatting, I mean it's very danger[ous].

I am not surprised at the Libyan and Egyptian government "opposition" did not have an organised leadership, but you would expect Britains leadership to have considered the consequences of rushing into intervention without a command structure.

Mind, now I see Cameron and Hague are trying to dodge any responsibility for any further actions.

The quickest milkmen in the West.


Perhaps, they have been worrying about they expense claims.

Fred - do try not to be a total pratt ..... you're carrying on (to suit your agenda) as if uk was the sole participant in this, whereas of course it was and is a coordinated operation involving AL, the almost unanimous backing of UN Security Council, and the hardware of a number of other countries, including some of AL unless I am much mistaken

of course no one can predict the exact end-game, but what would be your stance? ...... recommend doing nothing i suppose and then wrung your hands as the libyan rebels were butchered

My Agenda.

What is yours?

What I am getting at, is that there are two posers strutting across the world calling on others to follow them, without the necessary thought of the cost or end game of their actions and little considered or planning to a withdrawal.

At least Obamma did stop to consider of the consequences before agreeing to action for a limited period and now wishes to withdraw from the impending chaos.

(Cameron and Haque, are seen to be posing once again for their political following, as a distraction from their destruction of the British economy.)

They have not thought out the basic practical considerations of rushing into another "war". They are two political blustering naivet.

America and Britain did not plan for the aftermath in Iraq and this lack of planning is being repeated in Libya.

This government has been in "power" for 10* months and lacks any sense of direction, other than repeating its "mantras" and back stepping.

After the "January Revolution" in Egypt, as a government they should have been considering the problems in ME and drawing up contingency planning and talking with international allies of possible actions and command structures etc..

I have sympathy for the actions of N.F.Zones, which have been implemented in Libya, but those actions have an ongoing moral responsibilities for Britain, France, US and others. That probably means the use of ground forces and providing an interim governing structure, until "free" elections have a mandate from the "ordinary" Libyans.

Also, the present actions has raised the expectancy of the "West" aiding other revolutionaries in the ME. (Including those involved with Israel.)

It is murky to say the least.

Doubt the London 250,000 protest today will be as interesting unless the police try the kettle tactic, or shoot one of the swampy type students.

how did i know israel would somehow be worked into the thread?

as for me, i don't have an agenda, but i absolutely support the action that is being taken in Libya by UN/NATO - which happens to include UK ...... for all sorts of good reasons, and there is no reason for them to be altruistic (they're rarely found outside Utopia), M/E is a key area for world (relative) peace and economic stability .... in these dangerous times, Libya assuredly cannot just be left for the antagonists to pulp each other to oblivion, with help from certain outside agencies who are intent on destabilisation.

in one breath you berate the UK gov't for lacking direction, and with the next berate them for taking a lead role ..... you would seemingly have the various powers just sit around endlessly discussing what might be done in M/E in general while taking no action whatsoever, and equally presume that all and sundry have meanwhile piled in without a thought

as i said, you're acting like a total pratt ..... i think you actually have decent brain, so why not engage it constructively instead of just sounding off like a bar-room boor?