cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
Strawbs
- 04 Apr 2008 13:34
- 1751 of 21973
Non-Farm: -80K, unemployment 5.1%, according to CNBC (
Economy Loses 80,000 Jobs, Worse Than Expected) ....
Strawbs.
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 13:38
- 1752 of 21973
according to CNN ...... The reading is expected to show a decline of 50,000 jobs on payrolls, which would mark the third straight month of job declines for the first time since the first half of 2003. The unemployment rate is also expected to rise to 5% from 4.8%, which would mark a three-year high last seen in December.
Another weak jobs report could raise the chances of a bigger rate cut by the Federal Reserve at its April 29-30 meeting.
in fact the decline was 80,000 jobs
chocolat
- 04 Apr 2008 13:52
- 1753 of 21973
Big US job drop suggests US in recession
Mar Employment Report ! Consensus: !
Mar Feb ! Payrolls: -50K !
Payrolls -80K -76Kr ! !
Unemployment Rate 5.1% 4.8% ! Actual: -80K !
Hourly Earnings $17.86 $17.81r ! !
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By Brian Blackstone
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--A third-straight sharp drop in U.S. payrolls confirmed Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's recent warning that the U.S. economy may be in recession, as the unemployment rate moved sharply higher.
The data suggest additional interest rate cuts by the Fed are likely, even though the already-aggressive response by officials doesn't leave them too much room for additional easing.
Nonfarm payrolls fell 80,000 in March, the Labor Department said Friday, its biggest decline in five years, after falling by 76,000 in both January and February. Both were revised to show even bigger losses.
Had it not been for a rise in government jobs last month, payrolls would have fallen by around 100,000.
The unemployment rate, which is calculated using a separate survey of households, jumped 0.3 percentage point to 5.1%, the highest since September 2005, when it was also 5.1%.
Average hourly earnings increased $0.05, or 0.3%, to $17.86. That was up just 3.6% from a year earlier, suggesting wage costs remain under wraps. Fed officials are counting on the slack that comes from a slowing economy to offset higher energy, food and commodity prices and the weak dollar and keep inflation in check.
Wall Street economists had expected a 50,000 decline in payrolls and a 5% unemployment rate. A closely-watched report from ADP and Macroeconomic Advisers that attempts to mirror the jobs report had signaled a slight rise. But a surprising spike in new jobless claims to over 400,000 - a level usually associated with recession - caused some economists to scale back their forecasts into the minus column.
The Fed has lowered the fed funds rate at which banks lend to each other by three percentage points since September to 2.25% to contain the effects of a credit and housing crisis on the broader economy. With the jobs data providing clear proof that the economy is buckling, the Fed will face pressure to lower rates even more.
Bernanke on Wednesday warned for the first time that "a recession is possible." Yet last month's payroll decline won't come as too much of a surprise, as Bernanke also told lawmakers Wednesday that "much necessary economic and financial adjustment has already taken place, and monetary and fiscal policies are in train that should support a return to growth in the second half of this year and next year."
Still, the jobs slump may heighten fears at the Fed of a negative "feedback loop" in which financial market strains lead to a weaker economy, which in turn leads to more financial turbulence.
The Labor Department said hiring last month in goods producing industries fell 93,000. Within this group, manufacturing firms cut 48,000 jobs. the sector has lost jobs every month for almost two years. Automobile employment fell 24,000, the Labor Department said. "This decline largely reflected the impact of a strike at an automotive parts maker," Bureau of Labor statistics Commissioner Keith Hall said in a prepared statement.
Construction employment was down by 51,000, the ninth-straight drop. Residential building bore the brunt of the decline, but nonresidential construction jobs fell as well, suggesting that the housing slump is broadening.
Service-sector employment rose just 13,000 in March and only managed 12,000 new jobs for the entire first quarter. Business and professional services companies shed 35,000 jobs, and the financial sector lost jobs for the eighth-straight month, reflecting recent credit and mortgage-market turmoil.
Temporary employment, which economists consider a leading indicator for future job trends, fell by over 21,000 last month.
Education and health services employment, in contrast, advanced by 42,000. Leisure and hospitality rose 18,000, while retail trade lost 12,400 payrolls.
The government added 18,000 jobs.
One bright spot in the report was a 0.1 percentage point rise in the average workweek to 33.8 hours. A separate index of aggregate weekly hours also rose.
bhunt1910
- 04 Apr 2008 13:59
- 1754 of 21973
Average work week of 33.8 hrs - I'll have some of that !!
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 14:07
- 1755 of 21973
though these horrid figures may well bring about a further slash in US rates, i am still surprised to see the indications being blue ...... i wonder if that will translate into reality once the market opens .... if so, then look for decisive break above about 12725 if there is to be further upward momentum, though the big hurdle is at only 12800
bhunt1910
- 04 Apr 2008 14:29
- 1756 of 21973
Cynic - I would have thought that bad figures would have driven the index down - or am I missing something.
I was contemplating a modest short.
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 14:41
- 1757 of 21973
i agree and so it has proved, though i did not do so myself ...... would not be at all surprised to see Dow falling >100 today, but not sure if i'll back that view with money
Falcothou
- 04 Apr 2008 14:41
- 1758 of 21973
There is no logic with the Dow, Bhunt. It is a manic 2 headed beast of the deep!
maggiebt4
- 04 Apr 2008 16:18
- 1759 of 21973
Not much logic with the Ftse either
ptholden
- 04 Apr 2008 17:37
- 1760 of 21973
DOW seems to have thrown off bad news yet again, resilient fu**er isn't it? (scuse the French). Seems to have parked itself in a bullish channel during the last few hours, having a rest now after the last little rise. I sort of expect it to meander until 6 o'clock and if it stays in the channel, another surge upwards to 12690-12700. We'll see ;)
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 18:02
- 1761 of 21973
12725 or thereabouts is the big test, followed by an even bigger one at 12800
ptholden
- 04 Apr 2008 18:08
- 1762 of 21973
Can't see 12725 being much of a barrier, surged through there earlier today, however, I agree 12800 or slightly lower will test the rally.
Toya
- 04 Apr 2008 18:19
- 1763 of 21973
I've been enjoying a couple of lovely surges. Would now be very pleased if we could reach 12700 tonight
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 18:27
- 1764 of 21973
no point in having an orgasm before Dow goes truly hard through that level .... has recently suffered PE a couple of times in the attempt!
Toya
- 04 Apr 2008 18:31
- 1765 of 21973
But I was enjoying it!
ptholden
- 04 Apr 2008 18:38
- 1766 of 21973
Having reached my 12690 level (although not exactly a surge) I'll stick my neck out and say that's that for the day, although keeping an eye on the bottom of this channel to see if we get a sell off.
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 18:39
- 1767 of 21973
just keep yourself in suspense ... you'll enjoy it all the more when it is justified
ptholden
- 04 Apr 2008 18:43
- 1768 of 21973
Err, I hesitate to interupt, but Toya, you have email
cynic
- 04 Apr 2008 18:52
- 1769 of 21973
hi peter ... let me know about the lunch .... meanwhile, Toya obviously has more important things to hand
ptholden
- 04 Apr 2008 18:54
- 1770 of 21973
lol Richard, email on the way in a few mins, apologies for the delay.