Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

i think it is very unfair to have a pop at DC
imo, he played as good a hand as he possibly could given that he was holding only low value cards ..... but that is by the by

i think you're right that the number of immigrants coming into eu, and acquiring eu-citizen rights is going to create all sorts of problems, as indeed it already is even excluding germany

i have no real problem with communities maintaining their own identities, and with the best will in the world, it still takes 2 and probably 3 generations before there is any meaningful integration
i don't hear you chaps complaining about the jews in forest hill and elsewhere or the chinese and their enclaves
it just happens that the muslims (you lump together an awful lot of communities there!) are today's favourite target

the sharia law issue is different and only operates in uk where both parties are in agreement ...... oh really?
while i think it should be banned, it would be difficult to enforce as sharia law and its courts still have no legal standing

as for no-go areas, i doubt that you'ld feel too comfortable strolling around parts of brixton or ibrox on a saturday night
on the other hand, there's no reason why you wouldn't walk around brick lane or curry mile in manchester or china town in any number of cities

DC took the cards HE wanted to play, he refused suggestions from his cabinet colleagues.
Muslims are THE serious threat atm, and will be even more so when Turkey's 77m population is unleashed on Europe.
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cynic

i don't hear you chaps complaining about the jews in forest hill and elsewhere or the chinese and their enclaves
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The Chinese and Jews don't want to behead us and fly their flag over Downing St ,they didn't just attack Paris and they don't turn up in a country and rape small boys and women .

"Where's TANKER when you need him ?". on holiday I expect.

jimmy - nor do the vast majority of muslims ...... on the other hand, the ira and udf or whatever it was called, had no problem at all murdering any who crossed their paths

george - there was no point at all in DC going to brussels with all guns blazing

turkey's muslims etc
again, many if not most turks want turkey to remain a secular state, as it has been since 1919
however, it is the massive influx from turkey and all the bankrupt countries that are being welcomed into eu with open arms by germany (its the driving force), that will undoubtedly cause massive problems
it's not the ethnicity, but that they will have "freedom of movement" that will swamp uk and others where work and benefit conditions are infinitely better than "at home"

Suggest looking at the following commedy show from last night on bbc2:

Stewart Lee's Comedy VehicleS4-E2 ISLAMOPHOBIA


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b073gp8d/stewart-lees-comedy-vehicle-series-4-2-islamophobia

See if you can recognise yourself!

jimmy you are getting The Muslim faith and Jihadism mixed up. Yes there is a connection, but not for the majority of muslims.

JB, is just mixed up!

I shall vote OUT

Being part of a planet is enough. A planet with hundreds of countries, most of whom are not in. We don't need to be part of a clique.

I never like unnecessary additional tiers of government; they all cost money. Money that comes from all of us and is soaked up by thousands of administrative staff and hundreds of plane flights back and forth by politicians. Hotel expenses galore. And so many committees spending thousands of hours making decisions that don't need making - just for something to do. Most people don't even realise how much their own MEP is costing in wages and expenses, and hardly ever hear from them.

Scrap the whole wasteful game.
It's just a huge gravy train.
Look at how much money ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock and his wife Glenys both rake in from being part of the EU machine. Likewise so many others.

I know who my local MP is -- but without Google, I wouldn't know who my MEP is, nor even what territory their constituency includes. I find that most people don't know who their MEP is - yet we pay their wages and expenses for flying back and forth.

that seems a very shallow reason to vote "out", though each to his own

i still remain in the "out" camp, though with considerable concerns ..... and i would have just as many concerns if i voted "in"

for all that, i think my (an) "out" vote will be seen as more as a strong protest, for i do not expect that camp to carry the day

Again will vote out, not really understanding the consequences.

I'm voting out , fed up of the undemocratic EE poking it's nose in where it was never intended to.

Blimey it's Dill! where the hell have you been?

Lurking Fred ... can't get rid of me that easy :-)

it looks like the majority of folk posting on here are for voting out .

From the people posting I agree JB, but it's early days.

As your now back Dil I refer you to the Football thread -):

Ed: For Dils ref. http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=15154#lastread

And a lot more will be voting out when the real figs get published, how can civil "servants" refuse to publish statistics which we all know exist.




Tell us true number of EU migrants: Whitehall is covering up the shocking figure ahead of EU poll, say MPs


HMRC refuses to publish figures that could have impact on EU debate
Up to 1.3million extra migrants are living in the UK, MPs claim
ONS figures show 904,000 EU migrants have arrived in Britain since 2010
But officials issued 2.2m national insurance numbers to EU migrants


By James Slack and Jack Doyle for the Daily Mail

Published: 22:40, 11 March 2016 | Updated: 08:48, 12 March 2016


The true scale of immigration to Britain by EU citizens is being kept secret by Government officials, it emerged last night.

Top civil servants, led by HMRC boss Lin Homer, are refusing to publish figures that could reveal up to 1.3million extra migrants living in the UK. If revealed, the data could have an explosive impact on the EU debate.

MPs said the public were at risk of being 'misled' ahead of the 'once-in-a-lifetime decision' over whether Britain should re-take control of its borders. Requests to get to the truth have been thwarted for more than three months, with time now running out before the June 23 vote.



Full story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3488434/Tell-true-number-EU-migrants-Whitehall-covering-shocking-figure-ahead-EU-poll-say-MPs.html

The Daily Snail criticising "Con" Party MP's now.. you couldn't make it up -):

Did you even read the article Stan?


Top civil servants, led by HMRC boss Lin Homer, are refusing to publish figures that could reveal up to 1.3million extra migrants living in the UK. If revealed, the data could have an explosive impact on the EU debate.