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required field - 14 Jul 2010 13:55
It is now time to switch to a new Money AM football blog as the world cup is now over and we all look to the future.....World cup 2010 is over, Bravo Espana, and Forlan, once again and bring on the new season !.....I never expected the last thread to be such a success...thanks all.... so this new one might go on for years without the need to edit the title...we shall see...
Dil
- 13 May 2013 20:55
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lol
Most of their previous managers (in my lifetime) have been promoted from within so surely Stubbs got to be in with a shout Chris.
Hils , keep him you deserve each other after they way Di Matteo was treated
Most of their previous managers (in my lifetime) have been promoted from within so surely Stubbs got to be in with a shout Chris.
Hils , keep him you deserve each other after they way Di Matteo was treated
skinny
- 13 May 2013 21:00
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Chris Carson
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Season 2012-13 » Opinion » Fan Articles
Don’t be so defensive about David Moyes, Everton!
By Mark Davidson :: 11/05/2013
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Looking at the history of the men who have been given the honour of guiding Everton Football Club through battle in the upper echelon of the English and European Leagues, some interesting numbers jump out.
David Moyes left us this week with a solid record, and a lot of people sorry to see him go – myself included. I got pretty nostalgic and saddened to hear that man who aptly named us “The People’s Club” was moving on – I’d always hoped that we could repay his grit and determination to make us succeed with a trophy, but it wasn’t to be. Perhaps if he had achieved some silverware, the temptation of Old Trafford might not have been as strong. However, I was also reminded of the countless times when I was cursing Mr Moyes for his baffling substitutions or starting line-ups and it made me wonder why, with such a gifted squad, we were unable to win anything under him.
The Club’s history of managers since the early 1960s tells us quite a lot, and one statistic in particular might shed some light on this matter.
Here is the history in chronological order, showing the trophy count and win percentage:
Season
Manager
League Titles
FA Cups
League Cups
Charity Shields
European Cups
Trophy Total
Win %
2002-2013
David Moyes
0
0
0
0
0
0
42.1
1998-2002
Walter Smith
0
0
0
0
0
0
32.4
1997-1998
Howard Kendall
0
0
0
0
0
0
26.2
1994-1997
Joe Royle
0
1
0
1
0
2
39.0
1994-1994
Mike Walker
0
0
0
0
0
0
17.0
1990-1993
Howard Kendall
0
0
0
0
0
0
38.9
1987-1990
Colin Harvey
0
0
0
1
0
1
42.4
1981-1987
Howard Kendall
2
1
0
3
1
7
54.1
1977-1981
Gordon Lee
0
0
0
0
0
0
39.3
1973-1977
Billy Bingham
0
0
0
0
0
0
37.2
1961-1973
Harry Catterick
2
1
0
2
0
5
46.5
When looking at the data in this manner, it shows that while David Moyes didn’t win any trophies during his time at Everton, he did have a pretty good win percentage of 42.1% (fourth highest). The three previous managers with higher win percentages all won trophies (even if it was just a Charity Shield, in the case of Colin Harvey) and even one manager with a slightly lower win percentage won two trophies (take a bow, Joe Royle). So what could possibly explain the fact that Moyes didn’t win anything in his eleven years at Goodison with this in mind?
I have a suggestion, and it I sincerely hope that this is factored in to the thinking of Bill Kenwright and the Board during their hunt for a replacement: playing mentality. The four managers who have won us some silverware since the 1960s were all attacking-minded players during their playing careers: attacking midfielders or forwards. Those who have failed to win any silverware were all previously defenders or goalkeepers. If we sort the above table first based on total number of trophies won and then on win percentage, a new pattern emerges.
Season
Manager
Former Playing
Position
League
Titles
FA Cups
League Cups
Charity Shields
European Cups
Trophy Total
Win %
1981-1987
Howard Kendall
Midfielder
2
1
0
3
1
7
54.1
1961-1973
Harry Catterick
Forward
2
1
0
2
0
5
46.5
1994-1997
Joe Royle
Forward
0
1
0
1
0
2
39.0
1987-1990
Colin Harvey
Midfielder
0
0
0
1
0
1
42.4
2002-2013
David Moyes
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
42.1
1977-1981
Gordon Lee
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
39.3
1990-1993
Howard Kendall
Midfielder
0
0
0
0
0
0
38.9
1973-1977
Billy Bingham
Forward
0
0
0
0
0
0
37.2
1998-2002
Walter Smith
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
32.4
1997-1998
Howard Kendall
Midfielder
0
0
0
0
0
0
26.2
1994-1994
Mike Walker
Goalkeeper
0
0
0
0
0
0
17.0
If we remove Howard Kendall’s second and (sigh) third return roles to the club, which many saw as being a desperate attempt to recapture the glory days of the mid/late 1980s, then – with a sole exception of Billy Bingham – the best times at Goodison have come with an attacking-minded manager in charge.
Season
Manager
Former Playing
Position
League
Titles
FA Cups
League Cups
Charity Shields
European Cups
Trophy Total
Win %
1981-1987
Howard Kendall
Midfielder
2
1
0
3
1
7
54.1
1961-1973
Harry Catterick
Forward
2
1
0
2
0
5
46.5
1994-1997
Joe Royle
Forward
0
1
0
1
0
2
39
1987-1990
Colin Harvey
Midfielder
0
0
0
1
0
1
42.4
2002-2013
David Moyes
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
42.1
1977-1981
Gordon Lee
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
39.3
1973-1977
Billy Bingham
Forward
0
0
0
0
0
0
37.2
1998-2002
Walter Smith
Defender
0
0
0
0
0
0
32.4
1994-1994
Mike Walker
Goalkeeper
0
0
0
0
0
0
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Evertonians can regularly be accused of complaining about negative tactics put forth by the former man in charge. David Moyes, despite the adoration that he received from most quarters of The People’s Club, also earned himself the nickname “Dithering Dave”, in no small part due to his seeming inability to transform games through the timely introduction of effective substitutions. It was rare to see a potential goal scorer standing on the touchline when we were a goal down with ten minutes to play – more likely we’d see a central defender or holding midfielder gracing the hallowed Goodison turf in place of a forward.
Despite my admiration and overall sense that David Moyes did a fantastic job on an absolute pittance at Everton, I cannot help but wonder what might have been and what might yet be with a change of mentality around the place. Moyes no doubt took us up a notch from the glory (ahem) days of Walter Smith, Mike Walker, and Co but I am left in an uncertain middle ground: I am disappointed to see such a great bloke and class act leaving our great Club, but am desperately hoping that we bring in an attacking-minded manager to replace him.
If my suspicion is true, then the former playing positions of rumoured replacement managers might be quite telling as to what to expect.
•Malky Mackay: Defender
•Slaven Bilic: Defender
•Rafa Benitez (oh behave): Sweeper
•Jose Mourinho (dream on dreamers): Midfielder
•Roberto Martinez: Midfielder (defensive)
•Paul Lambert: Midfielder (defensive)
•Martin O’Neill: Midfielder
•Neil Lennon: Midfielder
•Michael Laudrup: Midfielder (attacking)
•Gianfranco Zola: Forward
•Mark Hughes: Forward
•Jurgen Klopp: Striker/Defender
•Roberto Di Matteo: Midfielder
So it seems that the majority of possible candidates are either former forwards or midfielders. Encouraging? Possibly so! Rule out the ludicrous (Rafa and Jose) and the defensive minded ones, and only consider attacking minded former players and we’re left with: Lennon, Laudrup, Zola, Hughes, Klopp, and Di Matteo.
I don’t think I’ve heard a single Evertonian think Lennon or Hughes are even worth mentioning, so we’re down to Laudrup, Zola, Klopp and Di Matteo – none of which are half-bad in my opinion. Of that list, I would love to see Gianfranco Zola at the helm – he is the perfect fit for Everton and brings the attacking mentality that we need to go up a gear. He just took Watford to third in the Championship with a 50% win percentage and the joint highest goal difference in that league (most goals scored out of all teams). He knows the English game inside out and backwards and would likely come cheaper than the rest, something that Bill Kenwright will no doubt be keen on.
Everton’s former great, Neville Southall, came out endorsing Zola today and I have to say I am completely on that bandwagon. Bring in Zola, Mr Kenwright!
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Peter Thistle
920 Posted 12/05/2013 at 03:29:33
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Well written piece. I've thought the same thing for a while but didn't have the stats to back it up. Defenders make boring managers.
Ernie Baywood
926 Posted 12/05/2013 at 03:35:36
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Definitely an interesting article and food for thought. Of course the stats don't overlay available funds and, if factored, might show that a defensive coach is cutting our cloth to suit.
But Zola, would be an interesting appointment. I'd rather we pick a manager who could be with us for the next 10 years and, for some reason, I don't see that with Zola.
On the other hand, we're a great club with a big fanbase, a decent squad, a high profile, and a top 6 finish.
An attractive 'name' might just convince players that we're a decent option?
John Gee
976 Posted 12/05/2013 at 06:07:17
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Good article. I'm a bit sceptical about the point your making although it does make perfect sense that a players career would influence his football philosophy when it came to managing a team. 'centre half is the hardest position to play' and all that.
On the basis of your argument Zola is a good shout, I've always liked him (who doesn't?). Another would be Hoddle. I've never really understood why he's been out if management for so long. Although I some times get the impression when listening to him on Sky that he's as mad as a march hare.
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
004 Posted 12/05/2013 at 07:51:05
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Great article, this was some real interesting reading, and seeds for new thoughts.
My favorite to come in has been Bilic, since he have played for the club, but now am I not so sure anymore. My next favorite was Pereira, but he had only a amateur career as player and I was unsuccessful to find out what position he played in, but he have a good win % as a coach.
Zola could be a good try.
Rob Keys
022 Posted 12/05/2013 at 08:40:33
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Ardilles was a midfielder, but played suicidal football. Rijkaard is a defender / defensive mid, but did more than decent with holland and barca. George graham was a creative mid who played 1-0 winning but boring football.
Honestly, this kind of correlations have been taken apart so many times before.
There are two separate points here : winning football vs attractive football. Of which Moyes is slammed for both.
I believe that if Moyes had won the couple of trophies, the vitriol will be halved.
Kane Green
024 Posted 12/05/2013 at 08:39:32
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I agree whole heartedly and would like to come at this from a different angle. The phrase 'a good point away from home' or similar is a common trope in football. Is it just me that often finds a point, well, pointless?
With 3 points for a win, a draw is closer to a defeat. The way a draw is often described as teams 'sharing the points' is a total deception. The points are shared with one thrown in the bin. Recent examples from the derbies springs to mind. It is commonly agreed that both the RS and us had perfectly good goals disallowed. We would both have been better off with those goals standing (despite home defeats to arch rivals). We would both have had 3 points rather than two.
And there's the thing. It is constantly mentioned how, with 6 defeats, only City and United have lost less than us. Who cares. It's not 'not losing' that counts. It's winning.
If we had an attack minded coach as advocated above and went for the jugular in most games what might we see? More handsome wins, and in all probability, more disastrous defeats which might leave us all fuming after being 2-0 up on 70 mins.
However, our current record stands at
W15 D15 L6. Points - 60
Looks good. 'Hard to Beat'. 'Only 6 defeats'. 'Only top two have lost less'.
But imagine 8 of those draws being defeats. Sounds awful doesn't it? Losing more than a third of all our games. Then imagine the other 7 draws becoming wins. Our record then looks like this:
W22 D0 L14. Points - 66.
Suddenly, we are one point away from the promised land of the Champions League places with two winnable fixtures to come (Chelsea hungover after Europa League victory).
I know this is hypothetical and draws are inevitable, but the fact remains that risking defeat to try and win is a much more proftable strategy in the long term, even though there will be far more defeats along the way
Derek Thomas
026 Posted 12/05/2013 at 08:49:59
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A good job of chopping up the stats to get to what you want to say, but not the worst conclusion in the world.
We have to ask ourselves whats possible, whats probable, what (who ) we deffo DON'T want and who we could live with.
So have at it who DON'T WE WANT.
Round, Neville, MON, Bruce, Big Sam, McCarthy, Lennon, Makay, Megson...in fact, if we admit that Moyes was the best at percentage type KITAP1 we don't want any shade of any Moyes-lite type manager....been there done that got the best of the rest trophy.
We have 4mill per year to spend, Start at the top; hey special one 4mill a year to do the biz, sorry lads love to but I've just signed for chelsea....on to next on the list of none Moyes-lite coaches. It might take a while but 4mill per year will get you some one good.
You will only get the right answer if you ask the right question...that means not asking any nomark Moyes-lite candidates.
Bill says he wants to listen to the fans...yeah right. I don't think he'll listen to who we do want, but he may have no choice....if we shout loud enough, to listen to who we DON'T want
So, do we feel lucky, who can we live with
Gavin Ramejkis
027 Posted 12/05/2013 at 09:06:52
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The stats in the article include cup games where Moyes never won a tap, take those out and his win rate of 40.3% is on a par with John Gregory's record and way below many other managers in EPL history including several labelled as failures.
I've got to agree with Kane regarding these draws, a simpler way to look at the results of ten games
10 draws a season gives a team 10 points
5 wins and 5 losses in the same games gives 15 points
4 wins and 6 losses still gives 12 points
The margin for error and a late last minute winner in games holding out for a draw with a siege against your goal is very thin and far too many games in Moyes' tenure we were subjected to just that; defending deep for large swathes of the game with the inevitable result. The Fulham game this season when we sat back and they got a last minute equaliser even had Jol perplexed saying he got an out of jail card having been under the cosh for most of the game, if the ball is in the opposition half and peppering their goal with shot after shot they are far less likely to be capable of mounting an attack.
Barry Rathbone
028 Posted 12/05/2013 at 09:07:14
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Long winded way of blowing out Martinez.
Did you ever see him play?
Ever spoken to Wigan fans about his contribution to the "3 amigos"?
He was one of the 3 spanish players who transformed Wigan a player of real skill without the pace or strength to make it at the top level.
Has to be Martinez to remove the cloud of choking in the big games - stats are there to be manipulated. The greatest player EVER in English football until Ryan Giggs took his mantle IS ......... (DRUM ROLL PLEASE)
PHIL NEAL ! based on medals won stats of course.
Derek Thomas
030 Posted 12/05/2013 at 09:20:24
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Kane and Gavin; spot on, been saying it for years ( oh yes I have ) We want a full strength manager not a Moyes-lite ( or like ) clone.
Bill; finger out, get it sorted.
Paul Ellam
068 Posted 12/05/2013 at 10:45:09
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No Vitor Pereira on the list? He is my choice
James Stewart
084 Posted 12/05/2013 at 11:13:47
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Pereira or Billic for me. His Croatia team were not defensive at all.
Agree with the above points about draws. Fortune favours the brave and very rarely was that Moyes. Cautious to the extreme!
It will be Mackay or Martinez though so best pick a side
Peter Foy
099 Posted 12/05/2013 at 11:34:44
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You don't have enough data to draw any meaningful conclusions, although I suspect that if you were to do something similar whilst using data from all the premier league clubs, you would probably get the same results.
The reason for this is basically what Kane says.
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
978 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:30:14
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I came to think of one guy, he was a central defender, but he is the only Norwegian manager with success abroad, in Belgium and Greece.
Trond Sollied, he have won his good share of silverware.
But he have a tendency to come on the edge with some of his players, he obviously hate primadonnas.
So it's not always truth to what mentioned in this article.....I just had to spin my head for a couple of days to run this in my memory.
So if we should go for any Norwegian manager, he is the guy, playing offensive counter attack football, in preferably a 433 formation.
Solskjær is struggling nowadays so he have more than enough to get his Molde on the right keel again, will be fun to see if he can manage that, and we can wonder if it they struggle because they sold Forren last winter.
Ross Edwards
982 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:41:25
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So Bjorn, Mr Sollied is a bit like Gordon Lee then? They both don't like flair players.
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Dil
- 13 May 2013 23:52
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Stubbs in to second favourite now at many bookies , probably all you can afford :-)
Chris Carson
- 14 May 2013 00:15
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Dil get a grip, 6th place in the Premiership gives EFC £xxxx compared to 1st place in Championship, we can afford trust me. What are the odds offered on Cardiff staying up next season? Answers on a postcard :O)
Dil
- 14 May 2013 00:58
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11/8 I think but I got a quid on us to win the league at 2500/1.
We got 25 million to spend , probably buy your squad for that :-)
We got 25 million to spend , probably buy your squad for that :-)
2517GEORGE
- 14 May 2013 09:42
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Don't post here much but what about Arsenal miss out on 4th spot, whinger is sacked and in comes Matteo.
2517
2517
Dil
- 14 May 2013 11:42
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Hope so George and Ramsey comes back home.
Stan
- 14 May 2013 16:03
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"11/8 I think but I got a quid on us to win the league at 2500/1." You don't do the lottery as well do you ? -):
Dil
- 14 May 2013 16:19
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Nah , odds are crap :-)
Stan
- 14 May 2013 16:24
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Dil
- 14 May 2013 16:26
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Malky out to 14/1 for the Everton job , sounds like he's told them to get stuffed.
Chris Carson
- 14 May 2013 23:48
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Baines and Fellaini off limits?
According to reports, incoming Manchester United manager David Moyes has agreed not to try and take Everton stars Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini to Old Trafford. SportsDirect News claims that, during the talks between Moyes and chairman, Bill Kenwright, that secured his move to United, an agreement was made prohibiting him from taking the pair with him.
“We're confident Baines and Fellaini will be with us next season,” a senior Everton source revealed.
“The chairman and manager had very constructive talks last week, and while we couldn't do anything to prevent David joining United, we have been able to gain an agreement that means nothing will be done to unsettle Leighton and Marouane.
“We need our best players here for whoever takes over the reins. So selling our best assets is not an option.”
The news will be welcome relief for Everton fans, who have become increasingly concerned in recent days that the exit of Moyes could lead to an exodus of the club's most talented players — starting with Baines and Fellaini.
“Both are critical to the future success of Everton,” added the source. “They are integral to our plans going forward.”
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Michael Kenrick
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197 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:28:00
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Yes, I know this is from a questionable source... and should probably be considered a rumour.... but I think we need a bit of good news... if true!!!
There again, it's not good news if you were hoping for big money from the sale of these two to reinvigorate the side!!!
Alun Jones
201 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:31:55
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I prefer to definitely keep Baines, for Mr Mungo I would think if it was in excess of £25M on ToffeeWeb, it's good news.
James Martin
204 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:34:11
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Moyes gone but Fellaini staying? My nightmare is actually happening.
Patrick Murphy
207 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:36:20
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There won't be much we can do once somebody decides that both or either are wanted. As soon as City or Arsenal or Chelsea put in a bid, you can bet if DM thinks that they will improve his squad he will make an offer for them. I'm only surprised that BK didn't have them gift-wrapped and sent to DM as a going away present.
Dan McKie
209 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:42:53
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I was thinking the same, Patrick. If Chelsea came in for Fellaini, then why wouldn't/shouldn't Moyes make a bid, if we are going to lose him anyway?
Robin Cannon
210 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:43:24
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It's not an agreement the chairman should be making anyway. The future of *any* player should be determined by the new manager.
Dan McKie
212 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:45:45
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Hopefully if we do keep Fellaini, our new manager will play him in his proper position every game, and that's where he played against West Ham. When played in the centre of midfield, he often looks a class apart, no matter who we are playing. I think he is wasted as nothing more than a target man when pushed forward.
As for Baines, he's coming up for 29 years old. If we could squeeze £15 million from someone, then take it and give Oviedo a chance.
James Fletcher
214 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:47:41
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I don't think this is a "They're staying no matter what", it's more an agreement that Moyes won't do a Mark Hughes and try to unsettle the players.
Eugene Ruane
215 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:30:59
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If true it would imo be very good news.
It would also (by me anyway) be much appreciated and I would consider this Moyes doing us a favour.
When he stated Everton would 'always have a special place', etc, I wondered (and I think posted) along the lines 'let's see if that's just words or will be back it up with actions' (or in this case, LACK of actions).
Whatever we think of his football, I think most see him as a decent principled man and (given the circumstances) this would be, I believe, be the decent thing to do (or not do..type stuff).
Anyway, I hope it's true as any money we got from their sales will/would just mean having to replace them.
But as Michael says, a rumour so..wait and see I suppose.
Dan San
218 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:48:27
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It's Jagz we ought to be worried about.. My hopes are pinned on a Jela for Rooney deal but they're not reporting that one yet funnily enough
Steve King
219 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:50:25
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I seem to remember Brenda making the same deal with Swansea............and then bidding for all his favourite ex-players, and successfully signing Joe Allen?
Paul Ellam
223 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:34
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Seeing is believing! Not too bothered if he took Fellaini to be honest - as long as he paid top whack for him
Rob Sawyer
226 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:53:04
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I'm not sure how there can be such a deal as Moyes is out of contract shortly at EFC. I can only imagine either a gentlemen's agreement or a deal in return for a slightly early release (i.e. several weeks) from Moyes' Everton contract.
James Fletcher
230 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:40
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Yeah but with Joe Allen he was doing Swansea a favour!
Colin Glassar
233 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:04:58
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It would be the decent thing to do but, if he gave us £50m for all three players I'd probably take it as the next manager would have some cash to spend. Defensively, without jags, we are ok with the likes of Coleman, Stones, Distin, Oviedo, Garbutt, Duffy etc....
Denis Richardson
234 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:06:43
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Moyes saying he won't come after them but if either says they want to go to Man Utd, then I don't think we can do anything about it. Nice gesture but until 31 August comes along, and they are still wearing EFC colours, I won't believe it.
Let's get a new manager sorted and then worry about the playing staff, the new guy may not even want Fellaini – he may want the £25M+ instead to spend on other players....
Baines I would keep but if silly money is being offered for a 28/29-year-old defender, I'd take it.
John Gee
236 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:53:11
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Fellaini is probably at the peak of his game and I can see Baines lasting another 2 years with his high energy game before his 'positional play' starts to become vital to his game so it's probably close to now or never if either of them wants to move to 'The World's Biggest Club' (TM)
I'm fascinated already by next season. As much as I loved DM at Everton I hope he falls flat on his face over there. I've heard phone ins when Manure fans were calling for Fergie's head after they'd won 2-0 how will he cope with the kind of pressure that was lacking from BK? We should have a sweepstake for when the phrase 'out of his depth' is first used in the media.
Peter Leslie
242 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:56:30
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imagine the conversation:
"I won't stand in your way so long as you agree not to take all our best players..."
"Of course I won't - thanks Bill"
Bollocks, Never happened.
Point 1: if any of those players want to go, its them that will instigate the move through their agents, and there's fuck all we could do.
Point 2. If they did, good luck to them, so long as we get fair whack for them and the new boss gets to spend it
Point 3. This whole soundbite is designed to make it seem as if Billy and Bobby held any cards regarding Moyes' departure, which they evidently did not. Pair of clueless tossers.
And the suggestion that they have "future plans" is a weak joke.
All that said, I think the timing of the move is the best thing that could have happened for all concerned. David Moyes is an even-better man than he is a manager, and I respect him deeply, but for me he had gone stale, and was clearly not committed, so change was needed.
Either someone comes in with fresh ideas and adds the swagger and belief needed to take a good team to the next level, maybe attracting a buyer in the process... or it implodes spectacularly: in which case Bluffer Bill and his abject assemblage of halfwit cronies will have lost their heatshield and will get hounded out of Goodison in disgrace.
COYB, and don't change the fucking badge either!!
Chris Keightley
243 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:14:47
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John # 236 - out of his depth ??? 11 years premier league Manager having manged 500 + games - he is certainly not going to be out of his depth - As for Feli if he stays then that would be good, Baines will hopefully want to see out his time here - he probably has just 2 -3 seasons left at the very top ....a move is no guarantee of medals
If we keep the nucleus of this team with just a few fresh faces then I believe the new Manager will have enough to work with.
Kev Johnson
244 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:11:45
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I don't understand this. What "constructive talks" could there be? EFC couldn't stop Moyes going to Man Utd or, given his contract situation, get any compensation.
Once Moyes goes to Man Utd, his one and only priority will be doing what's best for his new club. If he refuses to chase players who could improve his new team - just because they play for his old club (EFC) - then he won't be doing his job properly. Man Utd are in competition with us, broadly speaking. How can he say to his new bosses at Man Utd, "Yeah, we need a new LB and Baines is the best around, but I'm not going to go for him because I've still got a soft spot for The Toffees"? He can't, obviously.
I think DM is a honest and decent man - but he's not a bloody saint!
Tony McNulty
247 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:25:53
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If you believe this "story" means that these two players will necessarily stay with us, then get in touch. I can get hold of some prime real estate in Florida which I can let you have for a very good price.
Ben Jones
249 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:34:48
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I'm still thinking Fellaini will leave to be honest. Probably Chelsea, PSG or Russia.
But I've been really impressed with him in centre midfield recently, much rather him there than further forward.
Jason Heng
252 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:40:02
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So BK has sold Fellani and Baines to other clubs already?
Kevin Byrne
254 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:36:25
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Watching the recent derby it seems to me its time to cash in on Fellaini I don't believe hes commited to the cause,Baines is a different animal and no money would compensate for this irreplacible asset.
Brian Waring
258 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:45:18
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Chris, Moyes, 11 yrs with us,cushy number because he was under no pressure from the chairman.
Now, at Man U, one of the worlds biggest club, will be under the microscope of the media, will be expected to be challenging and winning all major comps, Man U fans don't want him there, so right away he will be under huge pressure from them. So, you could understand why some will say he could be out of his depth, as I say, the Man U fans are already saying that.
Ian Bennett
259 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:46:39
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I honestly think Moyes will sign better than what we have. He's not going to take Jags, I'd question Fellaini in their set up, whilst Baines is a possibility at the right price.
Colin Glassar
262 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:54:45
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He can have Naismith, Heitinga and Vic for 10m each. That's pound sterling. Not Zimbabwean dollars btw.
John Gee
264 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:59:45
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Chris, I think Moyes is a good manager but the United job isn't as cushy a number as it's being made out to be. There are players there who will start to think that they run the club, he'll be over shadowed by Fergie, There's an army of ex players working as pundits, their fans are mostly clueless southerners and all their rivals and their rivals friends in the meeja will be looking for weaknesses (like Mancini suffered) and I'm not sure DM would be good at handling all that.
Utd have started to believe their own press and have chosen an honourable man to carry on Fergie's traditions. Whereas, in reality, Fergie was a tyrannical C**t who wasn't afraid to adopt the more cynical side of the game. That doesn't sound like Davey to me.
I think he's being set up to fail. The smart money was always on the man who followed the man who followed Fergie. why would that change all of a sudden?
Colin Glassar
266 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:00:36
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Maybe Moyes is keeping the seat warm for Jose Mourinho. Once the special one falls out with the oligarch he will be on his way to OT.
Douglas Turner
270 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:49:17
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Translation... SAF is still pulling the strings at ManU so I won'y be earble ti sign squot anyways! On a personal point of view, as much as I've got mad love for both Felli and Baines, £40m (or there abouts) would be just the tonic for Everton providing we choose a decent manager!
Tony McNulty
272 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:07:25
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One of the main reasons that David Moyes was offered the Manure job was so that Ferguson could stay around, Thatcher-style, as his back seat driver. Ferguson can no longer physically do the job, but he cannot let go (recall what happened the last time he tried to retire). He will continue to take all the credit for the wins, with Moysie carrying the can for the losses, and quite possibly, a lower grade ore of football which gets served up.
If Moyes fails spectacularly, Ferguson will even be brought back as the interim manager.
Meantime, he will hang around like Banquo’s ghost until the time comes for him to be measured for a coffin. The only way he will leave that place is in a wooden box.
Do I sympathise with Moysie? On his wages, no.
By the way, am I the only one to find the media coverage of what is currently happening at the Manure completely vomit-inducing?
Kristian Boyce
274 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:00:53
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Out of all the players that he would take, I can only see Baines as the most obvious one. I think Felliani will go, but to either Chelsea, PSG or whoever else has a pot of gold to pay for him. I don't see him fitting into the Man U set-up as the positions he covers, are already cover by current players. Also with the amount of defensive players they already have, I can't see Jags going to be part of a rotation system. I don't particularly want to see any of these players leave, but if they did leave in a 'Joe Allen' style deal, where we receive a ridiculous amount of money for them, so be it.
Also a side comment. Seeing some other reports that Moyes plans to meet with other Man U players, staff in the next few days & weeks. Why is he doing this on 'Company' time? His contract starts July 1st, there shouldn't be any Man U work done before then as the announcer on Sunday rightly reminded us all that he is still the CURRENT Everton manager.
I'm also thinking that depending on tonight's result, there could be an approach to Martinez tomorrow if Arsenal win.
Brian Waring
275 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:13:04
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Good point Tony in regards to Fergie still hanging round at the Mancs, this has all the makings of when Hodgson was in charge of the shite with Dalglish in the background.
Robert Workman
277 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:12:46
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So much speculation around at the moment - here is some more!
United have apparently coveted Baines for some time. Moyes is obviously a big fan of our best player. Rooney wants to leave United. Maybe Moyes wont be able to persuade him to stay.
So.............. what if Rooney wanted to return to his beloved Everton?
OK, I know about wages, market value etc. - but, lets just say a deal was possible, my question to Evertonians is this :-
Which player would, in your opinion, be of most value to Everton next season - Baines or Rooney?
Brian Waring
278 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:25:26
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Rooney without a doubt Robert.
John Gee
280 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:23:09
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Baines=player+cash+loanee with part of his wages paid for by parent club.
Colin Glassar
282 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:25:47
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I'd take Rooney back in the blink of an eye. He has lost his way at manure and I don't think he likes Moyes despite all the claims to the contrary. He'd have to take a massive wage cut but he's a multi millionaire anyway plus he earns a fortune in off field ventures. Maybe he'd prefer to enjoy his football rather than earn a few extra million quid.
Brian Waring
284 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:29:50
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Rooney and Mirallas up front, mouth watering.
Kevin Tully
285 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:20:58
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Tony#272 - my thoughts exactly.
John # 264 - Moyes had a stark reminder yesterday of the pressure he is under now. Fergie shouting for 3 league wins on the bounce, and the manager of City has just had his P45 handed to him for finishing 2nd, and reaching a Cup Final.
You can't tell me he didn't look at that news and take a little gulp!
The media glare at that club must be incredible - with half the press looking for an angle on why Rooney wants to leave before Moyes has even stepped through the door.
I honestly don't envy him that job, unless you win the League it will be seen as a failure, especially if a large proportion of the fanbase are not on board from the start.
Eric Myles
289 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:35:40
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Kevin, Rooney had put in his transfer request a few weeks ago.
Patrick Murphy
292 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:35:08
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No swapping a trouble free naturally fit excellent footballer for a baggage laden one who thinks he is god's gift to footie. Rooney would be a disruptive influence and I think he is angling for a move overseas, so I hope he ends up in Paris or some other exotic place. When the new guy arrives we want to be ignored until the season starts and then make the headlines out on the pitch where it counts.
Steve Guy
293 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:43:49
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I predict this agreement will last until 2nd July 2013
Kevin Tully
297 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:43:19
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I know Eric, but the sly buggers are already bringing up the court case, and if he does leave, they will probably find a tenuous link as to why it is Moyes's fault.
As an aside - I heard it was Rooney who let the cat out of the bag about Sir's departure, that's why he was dropped from their squad for Swansea.
Even if not true, I didn't think it made any sense to announce it with two League games left to go. Apparently Sir's send off was supposed to be in a friendly against Real Madrid in the summer.
Robert Workman
301 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:48:21
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Colin 282 - that was my thinking too.
Brian 284 - exactly.
Adolf Ng
302 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:50:52
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Every player has a price, and given their ages, if Moyes comes up with 50 million pounds for both of them, I am happy to let them go.
Kunal Desai
303 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:47:37
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So that'll mean both Fellaini and Baines will go. If anything Fellaini would have gone this summer regardless of any managerial change. That was expected. I'd prefer if Everton moved on Heitinga, as much as i'd love for Baines to stay, i'm sure he may well be looking at pastures new as well.
Eric Myles
313 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:14:31
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Maybe Moyes will take Anichebe to replace Rooney? After all he's stuck by him for the last couple of seasons.
Vinny Garstrokes
328 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:21:00
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Finishing above the shite is fine with me this year and I am so glad we did not qualify for Europe. Whoever comes in, it would be made even tougher by coping with Europa league qualification rounds in late July given the size and strength of the squad. Personally I think Jags will go, and with other clubs bidding for Baines and Fella, then there would be nothing to stop Moyes trying to take them down the E Lancs. Mirallas has already stuck his head above the parapet and said he wants to play in Spain and ultimately Standard Liege so I think he will be off at the end of next season. My opinion is that iff Arsenal win or draw tonight, Wigan will be in the Championship and Martinez will be coming to Goodison. Hopefully he will bring Maloney with him who, although not yet in the same league as Baines, he is getting there.
Liam Reilly
335 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:35:50
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Don't get the Martinez love in. They place nice football going forwards, but his side is about to be relgated as they can't defend (cup final notwithstanding).
As regards this thread, utter garbage. There is no way Moyes agreed to this. If he rates a player then his role at the new club dictates that he must try to improve his team. not stand back and let let Chelsea, City or Arsenal improve theirs.
I hope he stays away from our youth, Barkley et all.
Richard Dodd
338 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:58:36
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..........unless the money`s right !
Neil Adams
339 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:00:24
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Personally I'm worried Moyes will use this as a smokescreen to put in a cheeky bid for Ross Barkley. He and Tom Cleverley could be the England central midfield partnership for the next 10 years if their progression continues as planned (assuming Wilshere continues to be injured)....
Barry Rathbone
340 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:46:18
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Don't see how this story works.
Moyes has shown ambition why should these lads be any different?
"Their man" is now in charge I don't see it as Moyes pursuing them - quite the reverse - literally.
Richard Dodd
341 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:59:37
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Liam: If we had Wigan`s budget, I suspect we would have been relegated years ago and before Moyes arrived.
As far as this story is concerned, Kenwright has no hold over Davey. He is not releasing him from his contract which expires the day before he takes charge at OT. He is therefore free to sign whoever SAF and the Man Utd Board allows him to!
Steven Scaffardi
344 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:07:09
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This might have been mentioned already, but I'm not sure how an agreement or deal like this would even be possible. It's not like Moyes was under contract and Man Utd were offering a compensation package. In that scenario, a stipulation could have been put into the contract which stated he can't come back for any of our players for the next 12 months, but seeing as he is out of contract what is stopping him coming back and doing just that?
Charles Brewer
345 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:41:12
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This may be slightly off topic but for all the criticism that Moyes received over the years, there was never a suggestion that he was not totally honest, decent and a huge credit to the club and its traditions. Personally, I have hopes, somewhat uncertain ones, admittedly, that the man who slammed Phil Neville for his laughable dive against the cheating, stamping, diving, squealing, biting RS (and that's just one player), and got Neville to apologize in a proper, rapid and, I think, genuine, manner may just bring the same qualities to a club which has a great deal more influence than Everton.
And as a result, I should not be greatly surprised if Moyes did not refrain from "tapping up" players (another lowlife specialty of the RS).
What would be best of all, however, would be if Moyes were to use the undoubted influence of ManU to initiate a massive clean-up in the game. No more diving, no more attempted rape in the penality area (why does Carragher / Lescott spring to mind?), no attacking the referee (or at least a great rash of yellow then red cards being brandished when it happens).
I, for one, consider David Moyes to be probably the most honest, decent manager I have ever seen in top flight football. He may have been a bit defensive, he may have made some poor tactical decisions, he may not have encouraged the right players and stuck with some whom others think were less than the best. This is not to disparage any of our previous managers or suggest that they were anything less than honest, but Moyes' behaviour with respect to Neville, Fellaini (who has been sorely provoked on many occasions) has been exemplary.
Perhaps he can not only win stuff at Old Trafford, but bring about a sea change in the game he obviously loves.
Minik Hansen
347 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:12:06
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That's why we need a class manager, for managing pretty darn good players and put additions to the squad to make it even better.
Pereira is dealing with talented players, therefore a good choice to welcome him here.
Paul David
352 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:00:49
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This is a load of shit. Look at his actions the last 6 months, Moyes has consistently stalled and lied about signing a new contract, signs for another club and the first we know of it is when its all over the news, seen leaving a hotel with Utd's manager and senior player while he is still our manager but now we've somehow tied him down to some sort of agreement even though he has no obligation to agree.
Colin Glassar
353 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:31:17
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Is it true that Moyes was driving the manc bus yesterday?
Barry Rathbone
364 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:35:30
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Charles Brewer, you're sorely trying my amnesty on "Moyes boys" .
According to Moyes he'll make a decision about his contract at the end of the season - in the summer - and NOT BEFORE!
Previously it was January and before that suspicions of keeping his options open were dismissed out of hand.
The idea Ferguson told the Glazers in Feb and kept Davey in the dark till a few days ago is a hoot.
In 10 years when the Moyes biography comes out the words "fergie confided in me 18 months previous ...." will loom large.
Ross Edwards
366 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:54:07
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July 2nd, he will make a double bid. I no longer trust this man especially after claiming his intention to stay, after signing a 6 year contract at Man U just a day earlier.
Chris Corn
377 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:59:10
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I said on another thread that I think any bid for Baines would be a low one based on his age. Same with Jagielka. I just can't see the PLC allowing Moyes to bring in ageing defenders with no resale value when he's inheriting enough already.
Patrick Murphy
387 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:31:47
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Oops! I hope this was an honest mistake and not DM upto Fergie tricks already!
According to the Echo.
EVERTON FC stars got a little confused when they headed out in Manchester to celebrate their last home game – at the same time as their Manchester United rivals.
For a host of Blues stars, in the city to mark Phil Neville’s departure from the club, mistakenly headed to Neighbourhood on Spinningfields – where United had booked their big celebration after winning the Premier League.
Everton’s bash was actually taking place at Neighbourhood’s sister venue, Southern Eleven, around the corner.
It left Blues stars Marouane Fellaini, Sylvain Distin and Kevin Mirallas a little red-faced after they entered Neighbourhood, only to be told they were at the wrong footballer party.
They swiftly headed back to Southern Eleven to join up with the rest of the Toffees to party.
Jeremy Benson
394 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:41:50
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Re: Chris @377
Are you having a laugh? Low bids based on their ages?
Baines is 28, which is a fine age for an attacking left back.
Jagielka is 30, which is a fine age for a central defender.
I don't think any premiership club would have a problem with offering either of them a 4 year contract.
Tom Jones
403 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:46:24
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Surely Mirallas will be the one targeted by Moyes, his performance on Sunday may have confirmed that? Although If he's a man of principle - I will be waiting for him to sign his favourite young international striker Victor Anichebe for £30M.
Either way, I'm just fucking sick of us being linked with Man utd in every way – please can we just fuck them all off and lets get back to Everton?
In fact, get both Moyes and Neville out sharpish (okay, and Kenwright too), we need men who believe Everton should not be (and are not) in any way inferior to any of them horrible twats, now let's look forward and start looking to turn them all over every time...
Remember – we are only 12 years from winning more titles than them!!
Justin Goonesinghe
414 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:17:18
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Fellaini isn't good enough for United.
As for Baines, perhaps the earlie posters are correct, with a big money offer it could be worth taking it given he's not young.
Rick Pattinson
488 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:18:20
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Money talks, I'm afraid, and I'd be gutted to lose Bainsey but I don't think it will end there. We can lose Fellaini for £23M that's no biggy but it's the young prospects like Barkley, Duffy and Co that could end up moving to Man Utd.
Hopefully Moyes will have plenty of pennies to spend abroad on the likes of Benzema, Lewandoski etc to forget about our boys.
Chris Corn
572 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:13:13
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Jeremy, Ferdinand 34, Vidic 31, Evra 31.
That's my point. Unless he ships them out.
So no Im not having a laugh. He is not dealing with Kenwright anymore. It is a massive public company and he is accountable to shareholders, so the free reign over transfers will likely not apply .
Therefore , I will stick to my opinion. Expect a low bid if one comes in />
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Baines and Fellaini off limits?
According to reports, incoming Manchester United manager David Moyes has agreed not to try and take Everton stars Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini to Old Trafford. SportsDirect News claims that, during the talks between Moyes and chairman, Bill Kenwright, that secured his move to United, an agreement was made prohibiting him from taking the pair with him.
“We're confident Baines and Fellaini will be with us next season,” a senior Everton source revealed.
“The chairman and manager had very constructive talks last week, and while we couldn't do anything to prevent David joining United, we have been able to gain an agreement that means nothing will be done to unsettle Leighton and Marouane.
“We need our best players here for whoever takes over the reins. So selling our best assets is not an option.”
The news will be welcome relief for Everton fans, who have become increasingly concerned in recent days that the exit of Moyes could lead to an exodus of the club's most talented players — starting with Baines and Fellaini.
“Both are critical to the future success of Everton,” added the source. “They are integral to our plans going forward.”
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197 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:28:00
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Yes, I know this is from a questionable source... and should probably be considered a rumour.... but I think we need a bit of good news... if true!!!
There again, it's not good news if you were hoping for big money from the sale of these two to reinvigorate the side!!!
Alun Jones
201 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:31:55
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I prefer to definitely keep Baines, for Mr Mungo I would think if it was in excess of £25M on ToffeeWeb, it's good news.
James Martin
204 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:34:11
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Moyes gone but Fellaini staying? My nightmare is actually happening.
Patrick Murphy
207 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:36:20
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There won't be much we can do once somebody decides that both or either are wanted. As soon as City or Arsenal or Chelsea put in a bid, you can bet if DM thinks that they will improve his squad he will make an offer for them. I'm only surprised that BK didn't have them gift-wrapped and sent to DM as a going away present.
Dan McKie
209 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:42:53
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I was thinking the same, Patrick. If Chelsea came in for Fellaini, then why wouldn't/shouldn't Moyes make a bid, if we are going to lose him anyway?
Robin Cannon
210 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:43:24
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It's not an agreement the chairman should be making anyway. The future of *any* player should be determined by the new manager.
Dan McKie
212 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:45:45
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Hopefully if we do keep Fellaini, our new manager will play him in his proper position every game, and that's where he played against West Ham. When played in the centre of midfield, he often looks a class apart, no matter who we are playing. I think he is wasted as nothing more than a target man when pushed forward.
As for Baines, he's coming up for 29 years old. If we could squeeze £15 million from someone, then take it and give Oviedo a chance.
James Fletcher
214 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:47:41
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I don't think this is a "They're staying no matter what", it's more an agreement that Moyes won't do a Mark Hughes and try to unsettle the players.
Eugene Ruane
215 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:30:59
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If true it would imo be very good news.
It would also (by me anyway) be much appreciated and I would consider this Moyes doing us a favour.
When he stated Everton would 'always have a special place', etc, I wondered (and I think posted) along the lines 'let's see if that's just words or will be back it up with actions' (or in this case, LACK of actions).
Whatever we think of his football, I think most see him as a decent principled man and (given the circumstances) this would be, I believe, be the decent thing to do (or not do..type stuff).
Anyway, I hope it's true as any money we got from their sales will/would just mean having to replace them.
But as Michael says, a rumour so..wait and see I suppose.
Dan San
218 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:48:27
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It's Jagz we ought to be worried about.. My hopes are pinned on a Jela for Rooney deal but they're not reporting that one yet funnily enough
Steve King
219 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:50:25
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I seem to remember Brenda making the same deal with Swansea............and then bidding for all his favourite ex-players, and successfully signing Joe Allen?
Paul Ellam
223 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:34
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Seeing is believing! Not too bothered if he took Fellaini to be honest - as long as he paid top whack for him
Rob Sawyer
226 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:53:04
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I'm not sure how there can be such a deal as Moyes is out of contract shortly at EFC. I can only imagine either a gentlemen's agreement or a deal in return for a slightly early release (i.e. several weeks) from Moyes' Everton contract.
James Fletcher
230 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:40
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Yeah but with Joe Allen he was doing Swansea a favour!
Colin Glassar
233 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:04:58
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It would be the decent thing to do but, if he gave us £50m for all three players I'd probably take it as the next manager would have some cash to spend. Defensively, without jags, we are ok with the likes of Coleman, Stones, Distin, Oviedo, Garbutt, Duffy etc....
Denis Richardson
234 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:06:43
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Moyes saying he won't come after them but if either says they want to go to Man Utd, then I don't think we can do anything about it. Nice gesture but until 31 August comes along, and they are still wearing EFC colours, I won't believe it.
Let's get a new manager sorted and then worry about the playing staff, the new guy may not even want Fellaini – he may want the £25M+ instead to spend on other players....
Baines I would keep but if silly money is being offered for a 28/29-year-old defender, I'd take it.
John Gee
236 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:53:11
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Fellaini is probably at the peak of his game and I can see Baines lasting another 2 years with his high energy game before his 'positional play' starts to become vital to his game so it's probably close to now or never if either of them wants to move to 'The World's Biggest Club' (TM)
I'm fascinated already by next season. As much as I loved DM at Everton I hope he falls flat on his face over there. I've heard phone ins when Manure fans were calling for Fergie's head after they'd won 2-0 how will he cope with the kind of pressure that was lacking from BK? We should have a sweepstake for when the phrase 'out of his depth' is first used in the media.
Peter Leslie
242 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:56:30
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imagine the conversation:
"I won't stand in your way so long as you agree not to take all our best players..."
"Of course I won't - thanks Bill"
Bollocks, Never happened.
Point 1: if any of those players want to go, its them that will instigate the move through their agents, and there's fuck all we could do.
Point 2. If they did, good luck to them, so long as we get fair whack for them and the new boss gets to spend it
Point 3. This whole soundbite is designed to make it seem as if Billy and Bobby held any cards regarding Moyes' departure, which they evidently did not. Pair of clueless tossers.
And the suggestion that they have "future plans" is a weak joke.
All that said, I think the timing of the move is the best thing that could have happened for all concerned. David Moyes is an even-better man than he is a manager, and I respect him deeply, but for me he had gone stale, and was clearly not committed, so change was needed.
Either someone comes in with fresh ideas and adds the swagger and belief needed to take a good team to the next level, maybe attracting a buyer in the process... or it implodes spectacularly: in which case Bluffer Bill and his abject assemblage of halfwit cronies will have lost their heatshield and will get hounded out of Goodison in disgrace.
COYB, and don't change the fucking badge either!!
Chris Keightley
243 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:14:47
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John # 236 - out of his depth ??? 11 years premier league Manager having manged 500 + games - he is certainly not going to be out of his depth - As for Feli if he stays then that would be good, Baines will hopefully want to see out his time here - he probably has just 2 -3 seasons left at the very top ....a move is no guarantee of medals
If we keep the nucleus of this team with just a few fresh faces then I believe the new Manager will have enough to work with.
Kev Johnson
244 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:11:45
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I don't understand this. What "constructive talks" could there be? EFC couldn't stop Moyes going to Man Utd or, given his contract situation, get any compensation.
Once Moyes goes to Man Utd, his one and only priority will be doing what's best for his new club. If he refuses to chase players who could improve his new team - just because they play for his old club (EFC) - then he won't be doing his job properly. Man Utd are in competition with us, broadly speaking. How can he say to his new bosses at Man Utd, "Yeah, we need a new LB and Baines is the best around, but I'm not going to go for him because I've still got a soft spot for The Toffees"? He can't, obviously.
I think DM is a honest and decent man - but he's not a bloody saint!
Tony McNulty
247 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:25:53
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If you believe this "story" means that these two players will necessarily stay with us, then get in touch. I can get hold of some prime real estate in Florida which I can let you have for a very good price.
Ben Jones
249 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:34:48
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I'm still thinking Fellaini will leave to be honest. Probably Chelsea, PSG or Russia.
But I've been really impressed with him in centre midfield recently, much rather him there than further forward.
Jason Heng
252 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:40:02
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So BK has sold Fellani and Baines to other clubs already?
Kevin Byrne
254 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:36:25
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Watching the recent derby it seems to me its time to cash in on Fellaini I don't believe hes commited to the cause,Baines is a different animal and no money would compensate for this irreplacible asset.
Brian Waring
258 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:45:18
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Chris, Moyes, 11 yrs with us,cushy number because he was under no pressure from the chairman.
Now, at Man U, one of the worlds biggest club, will be under the microscope of the media, will be expected to be challenging and winning all major comps, Man U fans don't want him there, so right away he will be under huge pressure from them. So, you could understand why some will say he could be out of his depth, as I say, the Man U fans are already saying that.
Ian Bennett
259 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:46:39
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I honestly think Moyes will sign better than what we have. He's not going to take Jags, I'd question Fellaini in their set up, whilst Baines is a possibility at the right price.
Colin Glassar
262 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:54:45
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He can have Naismith, Heitinga and Vic for 10m each. That's pound sterling. Not Zimbabwean dollars btw.
John Gee
264 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:59:45
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Chris, I think Moyes is a good manager but the United job isn't as cushy a number as it's being made out to be. There are players there who will start to think that they run the club, he'll be over shadowed by Fergie, There's an army of ex players working as pundits, their fans are mostly clueless southerners and all their rivals and their rivals friends in the meeja will be looking for weaknesses (like Mancini suffered) and I'm not sure DM would be good at handling all that.
Utd have started to believe their own press and have chosen an honourable man to carry on Fergie's traditions. Whereas, in reality, Fergie was a tyrannical C**t who wasn't afraid to adopt the more cynical side of the game. That doesn't sound like Davey to me.
I think he's being set up to fail. The smart money was always on the man who followed the man who followed Fergie. why would that change all of a sudden?
Colin Glassar
266 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:00:36
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Maybe Moyes is keeping the seat warm for Jose Mourinho. Once the special one falls out with the oligarch he will be on his way to OT.
Douglas Turner
270 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:49:17
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Translation... SAF is still pulling the strings at ManU so I won'y be earble ti sign squot anyways! On a personal point of view, as much as I've got mad love for both Felli and Baines, £40m (or there abouts) would be just the tonic for Everton providing we choose a decent manager!
Tony McNulty
272 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:07:25
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One of the main reasons that David Moyes was offered the Manure job was so that Ferguson could stay around, Thatcher-style, as his back seat driver. Ferguson can no longer physically do the job, but he cannot let go (recall what happened the last time he tried to retire). He will continue to take all the credit for the wins, with Moysie carrying the can for the losses, and quite possibly, a lower grade ore of football which gets served up.
If Moyes fails spectacularly, Ferguson will even be brought back as the interim manager.
Meantime, he will hang around like Banquo’s ghost until the time comes for him to be measured for a coffin. The only way he will leave that place is in a wooden box.
Do I sympathise with Moysie? On his wages, no.
By the way, am I the only one to find the media coverage of what is currently happening at the Manure completely vomit-inducing?
Kristian Boyce
274 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:00:53
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Out of all the players that he would take, I can only see Baines as the most obvious one. I think Felliani will go, but to either Chelsea, PSG or whoever else has a pot of gold to pay for him. I don't see him fitting into the Man U set-up as the positions he covers, are already cover by current players. Also with the amount of defensive players they already have, I can't see Jags going to be part of a rotation system. I don't particularly want to see any of these players leave, but if they did leave in a 'Joe Allen' style deal, where we receive a ridiculous amount of money for them, so be it.
Also a side comment. Seeing some other reports that Moyes plans to meet with other Man U players, staff in the next few days & weeks. Why is he doing this on 'Company' time? His contract starts July 1st, there shouldn't be any Man U work done before then as the announcer on Sunday rightly reminded us all that he is still the CURRENT Everton manager.
I'm also thinking that depending on tonight's result, there could be an approach to Martinez tomorrow if Arsenal win.
Brian Waring
275 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:13:04
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Good point Tony in regards to Fergie still hanging round at the Mancs, this has all the makings of when Hodgson was in charge of the shite with Dalglish in the background.
Robert Workman
277 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:12:46
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So much speculation around at the moment - here is some more!
United have apparently coveted Baines for some time. Moyes is obviously a big fan of our best player. Rooney wants to leave United. Maybe Moyes wont be able to persuade him to stay.
So.............. what if Rooney wanted to return to his beloved Everton?
OK, I know about wages, market value etc. - but, lets just say a deal was possible, my question to Evertonians is this :-
Which player would, in your opinion, be of most value to Everton next season - Baines or Rooney?
Brian Waring
278 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:25:26
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Rooney without a doubt Robert.
John Gee
280 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:23:09
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Baines=player+cash+loanee with part of his wages paid for by parent club.
Colin Glassar
282 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:25:47
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I'd take Rooney back in the blink of an eye. He has lost his way at manure and I don't think he likes Moyes despite all the claims to the contrary. He'd have to take a massive wage cut but he's a multi millionaire anyway plus he earns a fortune in off field ventures. Maybe he'd prefer to enjoy his football rather than earn a few extra million quid.
Brian Waring
284 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:29:50
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Rooney and Mirallas up front, mouth watering.
Kevin Tully
285 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:20:58
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Tony#272 - my thoughts exactly.
John # 264 - Moyes had a stark reminder yesterday of the pressure he is under now. Fergie shouting for 3 league wins on the bounce, and the manager of City has just had his P45 handed to him for finishing 2nd, and reaching a Cup Final.
You can't tell me he didn't look at that news and take a little gulp!
The media glare at that club must be incredible - with half the press looking for an angle on why Rooney wants to leave before Moyes has even stepped through the door.
I honestly don't envy him that job, unless you win the League it will be seen as a failure, especially if a large proportion of the fanbase are not on board from the start.
Eric Myles
289 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:35:40
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Kevin, Rooney had put in his transfer request a few weeks ago.
Patrick Murphy
292 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:35:08
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No swapping a trouble free naturally fit excellent footballer for a baggage laden one who thinks he is god's gift to footie. Rooney would be a disruptive influence and I think he is angling for a move overseas, so I hope he ends up in Paris or some other exotic place. When the new guy arrives we want to be ignored until the season starts and then make the headlines out on the pitch where it counts.
Steve Guy
293 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:43:49
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I predict this agreement will last until 2nd July 2013
Kevin Tully
297 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:43:19
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I know Eric, but the sly buggers are already bringing up the court case, and if he does leave, they will probably find a tenuous link as to why it is Moyes's fault.
As an aside - I heard it was Rooney who let the cat out of the bag about Sir's departure, that's why he was dropped from their squad for Swansea.
Even if not true, I didn't think it made any sense to announce it with two League games left to go. Apparently Sir's send off was supposed to be in a friendly against Real Madrid in the summer.
Robert Workman
301 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:48:21
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Colin 282 - that was my thinking too.
Brian 284 - exactly.
Adolf Ng
302 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:50:52
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Every player has a price, and given their ages, if Moyes comes up with 50 million pounds for both of them, I am happy to let them go.
Kunal Desai
303 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:47:37
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So that'll mean both Fellaini and Baines will go. If anything Fellaini would have gone this summer regardless of any managerial change. That was expected. I'd prefer if Everton moved on Heitinga, as much as i'd love for Baines to stay, i'm sure he may well be looking at pastures new as well.
Eric Myles
313 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:14:31
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Maybe Moyes will take Anichebe to replace Rooney? After all he's stuck by him for the last couple of seasons.
Vinny Garstrokes
328 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:21:00
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Finishing above the shite is fine with me this year and I am so glad we did not qualify for Europe. Whoever comes in, it would be made even tougher by coping with Europa league qualification rounds in late July given the size and strength of the squad. Personally I think Jags will go, and with other clubs bidding for Baines and Fella, then there would be nothing to stop Moyes trying to take them down the E Lancs. Mirallas has already stuck his head above the parapet and said he wants to play in Spain and ultimately Standard Liege so I think he will be off at the end of next season. My opinion is that iff Arsenal win or draw tonight, Wigan will be in the Championship and Martinez will be coming to Goodison. Hopefully he will bring Maloney with him who, although not yet in the same league as Baines, he is getting there.
Liam Reilly
335 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:35:50
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Don't get the Martinez love in. They place nice football going forwards, but his side is about to be relgated as they can't defend (cup final notwithstanding).
As regards this thread, utter garbage. There is no way Moyes agreed to this. If he rates a player then his role at the new club dictates that he must try to improve his team. not stand back and let let Chelsea, City or Arsenal improve theirs.
I hope he stays away from our youth, Barkley et all.
Richard Dodd
338 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:58:36
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..........unless the money`s right !
Neil Adams
339 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:00:24
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Personally I'm worried Moyes will use this as a smokescreen to put in a cheeky bid for Ross Barkley. He and Tom Cleverley could be the England central midfield partnership for the next 10 years if their progression continues as planned (assuming Wilshere continues to be injured)....
Barry Rathbone
340 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:46:18
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Don't see how this story works.
Moyes has shown ambition why should these lads be any different?
"Their man" is now in charge I don't see it as Moyes pursuing them - quite the reverse - literally.
Richard Dodd
341 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:59:37
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Liam: If we had Wigan`s budget, I suspect we would have been relegated years ago and before Moyes arrived.
As far as this story is concerned, Kenwright has no hold over Davey. He is not releasing him from his contract which expires the day before he takes charge at OT. He is therefore free to sign whoever SAF and the Man Utd Board allows him to!
Steven Scaffardi
344 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:07:09
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This might have been mentioned already, but I'm not sure how an agreement or deal like this would even be possible. It's not like Moyes was under contract and Man Utd were offering a compensation package. In that scenario, a stipulation could have been put into the contract which stated he can't come back for any of our players for the next 12 months, but seeing as he is out of contract what is stopping him coming back and doing just that?
Charles Brewer
345 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:41:12
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This may be slightly off topic but for all the criticism that Moyes received over the years, there was never a suggestion that he was not totally honest, decent and a huge credit to the club and its traditions. Personally, I have hopes, somewhat uncertain ones, admittedly, that the man who slammed Phil Neville for his laughable dive against the cheating, stamping, diving, squealing, biting RS (and that's just one player), and got Neville to apologize in a proper, rapid and, I think, genuine, manner may just bring the same qualities to a club which has a great deal more influence than Everton.
And as a result, I should not be greatly surprised if Moyes did not refrain from "tapping up" players (another lowlife specialty of the RS).
What would be best of all, however, would be if Moyes were to use the undoubted influence of ManU to initiate a massive clean-up in the game. No more diving, no more attempted rape in the penality area (why does Carragher / Lescott spring to mind?), no attacking the referee (or at least a great rash of yellow then red cards being brandished when it happens).
I, for one, consider David Moyes to be probably the most honest, decent manager I have ever seen in top flight football. He may have been a bit defensive, he may have made some poor tactical decisions, he may not have encouraged the right players and stuck with some whom others think were less than the best. This is not to disparage any of our previous managers or suggest that they were anything less than honest, but Moyes' behaviour with respect to Neville, Fellaini (who has been sorely provoked on many occasions) has been exemplary.
Perhaps he can not only win stuff at Old Trafford, but bring about a sea change in the game he obviously loves.
Minik Hansen
347 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:12:06
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That's why we need a class manager, for managing pretty darn good players and put additions to the squad to make it even better.
Pereira is dealing with talented players, therefore a good choice to welcome him here.
Paul David
352 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:00:49
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This is a load of shit. Look at his actions the last 6 months, Moyes has consistently stalled and lied about signing a new contract, signs for another club and the first we know of it is when its all over the news, seen leaving a hotel with Utd's manager and senior player while he is still our manager but now we've somehow tied him down to some sort of agreement even though he has no obligation to agree.
Colin Glassar
353 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:31:17
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Is it true that Moyes was driving the manc bus yesterday?
Barry Rathbone
364 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:35:30
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Charles Brewer, you're sorely trying my amnesty on "Moyes boys" .
According to Moyes he'll make a decision about his contract at the end of the season - in the summer - and NOT BEFORE!
Previously it was January and before that suspicions of keeping his options open were dismissed out of hand.
The idea Ferguson told the Glazers in Feb and kept Davey in the dark till a few days ago is a hoot.
In 10 years when the Moyes biography comes out the words "fergie confided in me 18 months previous ...." will loom large.
Ross Edwards
366 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:54:07
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July 2nd, he will make a double bid. I no longer trust this man especially after claiming his intention to stay, after signing a 6 year contract at Man U just a day earlier.
Chris Corn
377 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:59:10
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I said on another thread that I think any bid for Baines would be a low one based on his age. Same with Jagielka. I just can't see the PLC allowing Moyes to bring in ageing defenders with no resale value when he's inheriting enough already.
Patrick Murphy
387 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:31:47
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Oops! I hope this was an honest mistake and not DM upto Fergie tricks already!
According to the Echo.
EVERTON FC stars got a little confused when they headed out in Manchester to celebrate their last home game – at the same time as their Manchester United rivals.
For a host of Blues stars, in the city to mark Phil Neville’s departure from the club, mistakenly headed to Neighbourhood on Spinningfields – where United had booked their big celebration after winning the Premier League.
Everton’s bash was actually taking place at Neighbourhood’s sister venue, Southern Eleven, around the corner.
It left Blues stars Marouane Fellaini, Sylvain Distin and Kevin Mirallas a little red-faced after they entered Neighbourhood, only to be told they were at the wrong footballer party.
They swiftly headed back to Southern Eleven to join up with the rest of the Toffees to party.
Jeremy Benson
394 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:41:50
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Re: Chris @377
Are you having a laugh? Low bids based on their ages?
Baines is 28, which is a fine age for an attacking left back.
Jagielka is 30, which is a fine age for a central defender.
I don't think any premiership club would have a problem with offering either of them a 4 year contract.
Tom Jones
403 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:46:24
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Surely Mirallas will be the one targeted by Moyes, his performance on Sunday may have confirmed that? Although If he's a man of principle - I will be waiting for him to sign his favourite young international striker Victor Anichebe for £30M.
Either way, I'm just fucking sick of us being linked with Man utd in every way – please can we just fuck them all off and lets get back to Everton?
In fact, get both Moyes and Neville out sharpish (okay, and Kenwright too), we need men who believe Everton should not be (and are not) in any way inferior to any of them horrible twats, now let's look forward and start looking to turn them all over every time...
Remember – we are only 12 years from winning more titles than them!!
Justin Goonesinghe
414 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:17:18
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Fellaini isn't good enough for United.
As for Baines, perhaps the earlie posters are correct, with a big money offer it could be worth taking it given he's not young.
Rick Pattinson
488 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:18:20
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Money talks, I'm afraid, and I'd be gutted to lose Bainsey but I don't think it will end there. We can lose Fellaini for £23M that's no biggy but it's the young prospects like Barkley, Duffy and Co that could end up moving to Man Utd.
Hopefully Moyes will have plenty of pennies to spend abroad on the likes of Benzema, Lewandoski etc to forget about our boys.
Chris Corn
572 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:13:13
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Jeremy, Ferdinand 34, Vidic 31, Evra 31.
That's my point. Unless he ships them out.
So no Im not having a laugh. He is not dealing with Kenwright anymore. It is a massive public company and he is accountable to shareholders, so the free reign over transfers will likely not apply .
Therefore , I will stick to my opinion. Expect a low bid if one comes in />
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.Swansea v Everton Swansea 0 Everton 2 Baines 59′ Jelavic 76′ .
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24 March 2012 Last updated at 16:56
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BBC Wales Sport A sublime Leighton Baines free-kick set Everton on their way to a first away win in six attempts and ended Swansea's run of three consecutive victories.
Swansea dominated the first half but Baines struck after the break, finding the top corner from 25 yards.
Nikica Jelavic wasted two chances but the striker had a simple tap-in to deservedly extend Everton's lead.
Influential midfielder Steven Pienaar almost added a third as the home side capitulated after the break.
The result extended Everton's unbeaten record against the Swans to 15 games, and was a tactical victory for manager David Moyes.
He set out his team to pressure the home side high up the pitch, successfully cutting off the hosts' usual flow of possession from defence into midfield.
Everton, who join Manchester United and Norwich in winning at the Liberty Stadium this season, were effective rather than spectacular in the first half.
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They had arrived with one eye on Tuesday's FA Cup replay against Sunderland, Moyes resting Johnny Heitinga, Marouane Fellaini and Roysten Drenthe.
Phil Jagielka was among those restored to the side and the centre-back proved a one-man wall in the first half as he repelled Swansea's best efforts.
His first telling intervention came on 24 minutes when he was at full stretch to cut out Gylfi Sigurdsson's low cross as Danny Graham waited for a tap-in.
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Joe Allen drove a 25-yard effort inches wide from the resulting corner.
He then slid in to block to Sigurdsson's shot before clearing Angel Rangel's dangerous delivery across the face of goal.
A wayward Jelavic header was Everton's only effort of note in the opening 45 minutes, but they gradually began to take control as the break approached.
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Swansea were fortunate not concede again as Pienaar, whose influence grew as the game progressed, twice set up substitute Denis Stracqualursi.
Lineup, Bookings (3) & Substitutions (6) Swansea City
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02 Williams
03 Taylor
04 Caulker
22 Rangel
07 Britton
11 Sinclair (McEachran - 72' )
15 Routledge (Lita - 71' )
24 Allen Booked
42 Sigurdsson
10 Graham (Moore - 71' )
Substitutes
25 Tremmel
05 Tate
16 Monk
17 McEachran
27 Gower
18 Lita
19 Moore
Everton
24 Howard
02 Hibbert
03 Baines
06 Jagielka
15 Distin
18 Neville
04 Gibson Booked (Heitinga - 84' )
17 Cahill (Fellaini - 58' )
21 Osman
22 Pienaar Booked
07 Jelavic (Stracqualursi - 81' )
Substitutes
01 Mucha
05 Heitinga
25 Fellaini
11 Stracqualursi
14 McFadden
19 Gueye
28 Anichebe
FT 90 +5
HT 0-0
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24 March 2012 Last updated at 16:56
Share this page ShareFacebookTwitter.print..By Dewi Hughes
BBC Wales Sport A sublime Leighton Baines free-kick set Everton on their way to a first away win in six attempts and ended Swansea's run of three consecutive victories.
Swansea dominated the first half but Baines struck after the break, finding the top corner from 25 yards.
Nikica Jelavic wasted two chances but the striker had a simple tap-in to deservedly extend Everton's lead.
Influential midfielder Steven Pienaar almost added a third as the home side capitulated after the break.
The result extended Everton's unbeaten record against the Swans to 15 games, and was a tactical victory for manager David Moyes.
He set out his team to pressure the home side high up the pitch, successfully cutting off the hosts' usual flow of possession from defence into midfield.
Everton, who join Manchester United and Norwich in winning at the Liberty Stadium this season, were effective rather than spectacular in the first half.
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They had arrived with one eye on Tuesday's FA Cup replay against Sunderland, Moyes resting Johnny Heitinga, Marouane Fellaini and Roysten Drenthe.
Phil Jagielka was among those restored to the side and the centre-back proved a one-man wall in the first half as he repelled Swansea's best efforts.
His first telling intervention came on 24 minutes when he was at full stretch to cut out Gylfi Sigurdsson's low cross as Danny Graham waited for a tap-in.
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Joe Allen drove a 25-yard effort inches wide from the resulting corner.
He then slid in to block to Sigurdsson's shot before clearing Angel Rangel's dangerous delivery across the face of goal.
A wayward Jelavic header was Everton's only effort of note in the opening 45 minutes, but they gradually began to take control as the break approached.
The striker wasted a glorious opportunity early in the second half when he sliced high and wide after the ball fell to his feet inside the penalty area.
And then a 20-yard stinger from Darron Gibson brought Michel Vorm into action for the first time in the Swansea goal.
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But the Dutch keeper had no chance just before the hour as Baines found the top corner to put the visitors ahead.
The left-back won the free-kick himself as he tempted Ashley Williams into a rash challenge 25 yards from goal in a central position. Vorm knew what was coming but Baines's execution was perfect.
Brendan Rodgers made a triple substitution as his side ran out of ideas, but a second Everton goal arrived within five minutes of the change.
Fellaini, on for Tim Cahill, outmuscled Williams near the by-line and his precise pass gave Jelavic a simple tap-in from inside the six-yard box.
Swansea were fortunate not concede again as Pienaar, whose influence grew as the game progressed, twice set up substitute Denis Stracqualursi.
Lineup, Bookings (3) & Substitutions (6) Swansea City
01 Vorm
02 Williams
03 Taylor
04 Caulker
22 Rangel
07 Britton
11 Sinclair (McEachran - 72' )
15 Routledge (Lita - 71' )
24 Allen Booked
42 Sigurdsson
10 Graham (Moore - 71' )
Substitutes
25 Tremmel
05 Tate
16 Monk
17 McEachran
27 Gower
18 Lita
19 Moore
Everton
24 Howard
02 Hibbert
03 Baines
06 Jagielka
15 Distin
18 Neville
04 Gibson Booked (Heitinga - 84' )
17 Cahill (Fellaini - 58' )
21 Osman
22 Pienaar Booked
07 Jelavic (Stracqualursi - 81' )
Substitutes
01 Mucha
05 Heitinga
25 Fellaini
11 Stracqualursi
14 McFadden
19 Gueye
28 Anichebe
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