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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 13:29 - 17623 of 81564

She has to go, be a miracle if she survives.

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 14:13 - 17624 of 81564

..Heathrow Border Staff Training Questioned
By Gamal Fahnbulleh, Sky News reporter | Sky News – 4 hours ago

Former border control officer Chris Hobbs tells Sky News that passport staff need proper training.
Heathrow Border Staff Training Questioned
....The Border Agency has been accused of allowing terror suspects on the Home Office watch list to enter the UK in the run-up to the Olympics.

A senior border officer has told The Observer newspaper that inexperienced recruits brought in from other departments and used to shorten lengthy queues are failing to carry out necessary security checks at passport control.

Speaking anonymously, the official said he was personally aware that three terror suspects, all registered on the Home Office watch list, had been waved through by staff on his shift since the start of July.

He told the paper: "It's all new faces. The rest of the staff, I have no idea where they have come from, how long they are here for, what their background is.

"These are people who have been forced by their own department to come here."

The crisis comes after the security firm G4S announced it could not provide enough security guards for the London Olympics.

The Government has had to call up 3,500 troops to meet the shortfall.

In The Observer article, the whistle-blower adds: " How many other misses have occurred?

"The missing of counterterrorism 'hits' is a huge thing but new recruits are not getting enough time to be taught."

His comments follow a report on Thursday into border staff being used at Heathrow airport for the Olympics.

John Vine, the independent chief inspector of borders and immigration, concluded staff with only basic training and little immigration experience were being used.

Mr Vine said some staff "remained concerned about the potential risks of employing staff on the immigration control who had received only basic training and who had no immigration background/experience."

The Border Force is also rehiring ex-employees as it prepares to deal with more than 100,000 passengers a day during the busiest periods of the Olympics.

Chris Hobbs, a retired police officer who spent more than a third of his service working at Heathrow, Gatwick and in Jamaican airports, said: "There have been major problems with the UK Border Agency since October or November last year.

"What is astonishing perhaps is that the problem hasn't been remedied - so we're going into the Olympics with the border force in crisis.

"The border is very vulnerable, so that can't be good."

In a statement, a border agency spokesman said: "All staff being deployed will have the necessary security clearance and will have received the training required to operate effectively.

"Contingency staff will only be carrying out tasks for which they have been fully trained.

"Contingency staff will operate individually, but are supported by experienced border force officers at all times.

"If they have any concerns or questions they are told to escalate those concerns immediately."

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chuckles - 15 Jul 2012 15:36 - 17625 of 81564

The security contract for the olympics was awarded to G4S by the Labour govt, yes? G4S make a mess of it and the Coalition govt get the blame. G4S have continually stated they would meet their obligations until literally a few days ago.

Any sensible person would now of course demand the resignation of a govt minister as he or she failed to call the CEO of G4S a liar. Give me strength!

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 16:20 - 17626 of 81564

The whole story does not add up. I for one minute do not think the top man of g4 has just come forward, two weeks before the games. Something does not add up.

Fred1new - 15 Jul 2012 17:31 - 17627 of 81564

Chuckles.

But this government is supposed to be in charge.

I would have thought anybody in charge of security of this "country" would have considered the "Games" as a likely target and "WOULD" have had daily or weekly updates and detailed appraisal of the risks and possible "remedies".

To me it seems that this has not been done.

If it hasn't it smacks of the type of incompetence, which is being expected of the ministers of "THIS" Government.


The "vetting" of overseas visitors and immigrants this country seems to be another "FIASCO".

In the state of management this country has at the moment I can see no need for a Parliamentary Recess, the Parliamentary part timer should be expected to work a full week and have reduction in holidays.

G4S is another example of private companies incompetence similar to the Banks having to be bailed out by the Public purse.

Incompetent management.

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Ps.

When Osborne,Cameron and others stop blaming the Labour party for their own mistakes, I would expect them to start blaming their own mothers for having them.

I do!


Fred1new - 15 Jul 2012 17:33 - 17628 of 81564

....

Apologies N's disease.

aldwickk - 15 Jul 2012 18:08 - 17629 of 81564

It will be a long time before we stop blaming Labour the list is so long.

Uncontrolled immigration

Not building more prison's

Building on flood plains

Not reforming an outdated expensive's system

Sending this country to an illegal war

Signing The Human rights treaty

Signing Westminster's power's over to the EU

Signing the one-sided extradition treaty with the US

24 hour drinking


Super casino's

Both Labour government U turn's


Uncontrolled government spending

I live now pay later society

An uncontrolled City casino

Easy credit [ teenagers being posted credit card application forms ]

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 18:10 - 17630 of 81564


Theresa May 'warned about G4S security fiasco 10 MONTHS AGO' as rookie Heathrow staff 'let in terror suspects ahead of Games'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173798/London-2012-Olympics-Home-Secretary-warned-G4S-Olympics-security-shambles-10-months-ago.html#ixzz20iDFuLiH

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173798/London-2012-Olympics-Home-Secretary-warned-G4S-Olympics-security-shambles-10-months-ago.html

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 18:10 - 17631 of 81564


Theresa May 'warned about G4S security fiasco 10 MONTHS AGO' as rookie Heathrow staff 'let in terror suspects ahead of Games'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173798/London-2012-Olympics-Home-Secretary-warned-G4S-Olympics-security-shambles-10-months-ago.html#ixzz20iDFuLiH

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173798/London-2012-Olympics-Home-Secretary-warned-G4S-Olympics-security-shambles-10-months-ago.html

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 18:15 - 17632 of 81564

Blame is on your shoulders lady. No I do not like her.

aldwickk - 15 Jul 2012 18:28 - 17633 of 81564

Could be worse , it might have been Margaret Becket

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 18:35 - 17634 of 81564

She should go and join the Labour party aldwickk. :-))


THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH:

G4S BOSS 'COULD QUIT' OVER OLYMPICS FIASCO

The Chief Executive of G4S Nick Buckles has admitted he is considering his future as head of the company and will not take a bonus after failing to provide enough security guards for the London Olympics.

dreamcatcher - 15 Jul 2012 18:47 - 17635 of 81564

Im keeping watch on the length of her nose, as I think it may well grow .


Fred1new - 15 Jul 2012 19:27 - 17636 of 81564

Ald,

You must be getting tired with all the thinking you are trying to do.

Have a nap, before you read this.

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What has the tory led coalition done about:

“Uncontrolled immigration

Not building more prison's

Building on flood plains

Not reforming an outdated expensive's system”


1) Nothing, immigration is even a bigger problem. The only thing the tories have done so far is redefined the problems, to excuse their own actions,

2) How many new prisons have they built and how many do you want?

Personally, I would prefer a new school and hospital, as long as they weren’t PFI or privatised.

3) The building on flood plains was and are mainly by Private Sector companies for profits and personal gain at the expense of the state.

4) Which ”expensive’s “ system are you referring to, but remember you have a self interested tory cabinet, which appears to many to be capable of practicing corruption. (Have a chat with Murdoch or Rebecca.)

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I far as I was concerned the Iraqi war was wrong and there was no legal basis for US and British action. Look back to the thread on Israeli Gaza conflict thread and other threads and you will see I condemned Blair and others for the action.

I have a respect for Human rights (even yours), and I am glad that the UK have signed.

The UK's name and past actions don’t smell as rosy in other countries, as they do for some at home.

Not signing would have been political stupidity.

Should it have changes made, or update, due to some obvious minor weaknesses, of course.

But the majority of legislation needs tinkering with at some point or other.

The weaknesses are minor and overplayed by the ranting of Fauxrage and the looney right wing of the tory party.
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“Signing Westminster's power's over to the EU”

Before and after this economic crisis is over, there will be more centralisation in the EU and more financial organisation will be in the EU.

The UK floats around Europe and is only a bit player in the total economics of the Eurozone of over 300,000,000 . (It can’t even afford its own army.)

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"Signing the one-sided extradition treaty with the US"
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Needs modifying with reasonable proof of crime being committed. But the same rules should be applied to both US and UK.

"Supercasinos".

Don’t like them. They don’t seem to have taken off.

I hope they are not the breeding ground for, or controlled, by criminal fraternity

If properly regulated and supervised I cannot object, but I would vote for a ban on boxing booths and clubs in an attempt to prevent further unnecessary brain damage to the participants and enthusiasts.

“24 hour drinking “

Didn’t like the law change at the time. The problem seems to be late night drinking in city areas.

Difficult to go back, but there might be a case for increasing tax on alcohol.

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As the Labour party government did build decent new hospitals and schools etc. I can excuse some of their mistakes.

You may be still able to get treatment at some of them, free of charge for the time being.

(Unless the doctors and nurse all go abroad like the bankers.)

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(Don’t mention PFIs. I stated on one of the threads years ago, that I thought they were a daft idea and building up trouble.for the future.)

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Have a better week than the last one.

aldwickk - 15 Jul 2012 21:54 - 17637 of 81564

There is not much you can do to about Labour building on flood plains , what do you want the government to do pull the house's down ?

“Uncontrolled immigration ....... you can't close the stable door that Labour opened due to their secret policy of mass emigration, a policy that was not even known by they own MP's only Mandy , Blair and i bet that the unelected Alistair Campbell also knew. They should have been charged with treason.


the Labour party government did build decent new hospitals and schools

Building them is easy , installing decent management and controlling the tax payers money is the hard part. BTW it was Labour who over paid the GP's by paying them more to do less , unbelievable.

The most of the rest of your post is not worth replying to.


Fred1new - 16 Jul 2012 09:05 - 17638 of 81564

Must have been past your bedtime.

aldwickk - 16 Jul 2012 10:25 - 17639 of 81564

I take it you agree with me ? If that is the only reply you can come up with [ what my sleeping times as to do with your reply to my post I don't know]

Fred1new - 16 Jul 2012 17:20 - 17640 of 81564

Aids,

Now your are awake.

What are the IMFs projection for the UK economy under your tory coalition government?

Forgot , must blame Labour and the Euro-zone for letting Dave and George down.

Are the moody ones going to downgrade the UK?

Mind we are alright, the country is "safe" under Cruella and Dave's private sector security schemes.


I think that we should take their spades away.
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aldwickk - 16 Jul 2012 17:41 - 17641 of 81564

I see you are still obsessed with my sleeping habit's , how did you know i was awake were you up a tree spying into my bedroom, you dirty old man.

Haystack - 16 Jul 2012 18:09 - 17642 of 81564

There is an amazing similarity between that picture and how I imagine Fred.
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