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website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

well at least we now know why none of the directors bought any shares. they obviously knew the sp was way over-valued!! glad i got out when i did. keeping a close watch as it may be worth dipping a toe back in soon. or maybe not .......
haystack, do you really feel the end is near? historically, there is plenty of support at 4p.

The support comes from a time when there was optimism and prospects. It had been stagnant for a long time before that and a lot lower previous to then. It is difficult to see where any optimism could come from now. Market sentiment seems firmly against them now.

I am amazed at the extreme views being mentioned.

If you all examine the accounts carefully - the situation is not as grave as all would think.

eg. close relationship - not just a relationship

When the exclusivity agreement runs out, other retailers can use greenseal - it makes far more sense for the packers to supply all as opposed to just asda.

The logistics of packing for just one customer is a nightmare - far better for all.

The Goldman Sachs comment didn't have to be said - so if true who would they be buying on behalf of?

Finally, if the price can go from 4p to 30p on conceptual ideas then what can it do on deals.

Have faith and take the opportunity to average out.

What assets have they? Good will and other intangible assets come to around 20m. The net assets after liabilities (14m) are about 18m. So their net assets are effectively made up in reality of goodwill and intangible assets. They made a whopping loss of 2.3m in six months.

cheers, haystack, fair comment.

Actually Haystack, your comments at post 17792 demonstrate a pretty fair lack of knowledge of how the SP got to 30p and the timing. You really should do a little more research before making sweeping comments!

Whilst the SP was bumbling along at 3-4p the present product line was very much in its infant stages, the company having transformed from a completely different animal. What went before then with regard to the SP is irrelevant. With this fact in mind I should think that 3-4p will offer support, for how long remains to be seen.

However, you are right in some respects, the SP has been over-hyped, as much as by SEO as by anyone else and it will take some significant contract wins before investors trust them again. At the moment there is not much comfort to be had from the current state of business and I would advise anyone (FWIW) to watch and wait before trying to catch a falling knife. You might miss the initial recovery, but then you could save getting burnt.

pth

dawall,

TB has SEO on hold, buy limit 16 target 50. An update shortly is promised.

I dont see how you can say he's got it wrong yet - a trading loss wasn't unexpected and was of the level that could well pale into insignificance if Greenseal, Starpol and Wrap 100 come good. The time to say he got it wrong is if the company goes belly up, which is a long way off.

SEO are a tiny company who have come up with some major globally important innovations. Throughout history whenever this has happened to an individual or small company there have been financial problems bringing the product to market. What we're seeing is nothing new.

If you disregard the current financial situation the future looks very rosy indeed. The necessity of more backing has been there for some time - TB had predicted it before the interims. It will come from somewhere and will be all the easier to find at current SP levels.

This share can still go somewhere, IMO.

oblomov, is the TB targets before or after the interims?
many thanks

oblomov,

At last an opinion worth reading and correct.

Apart from anything else the current situation is not beneficial to any share on the market, and as a result presents opportunities not just for private investors but for predators and institutions who have foresight.

The whole world has a fixation about biodegradeable products - how can stanelco not benefit from this!

Do some think that the main shareholders want the company to fail - it will succeed and will take time - that's the problem with some of the very small shareholders - they haven't got time-they want it now!!!

Well you will just have to wait.

sellsell

it was before - he was on holiday last week.

ok, should be interesting to see what he has to say in his next update.

How far does the SP have to go down before some of you lot wake up and see what is happening (has happened)?

'If you disregard the finanical situation' Jeez, how the f**k can you disregard the finanical situation? WIthout finanical backing or firm orders the company will not be able to bring their products to the market place, plain simple fact.

From a personal perspective I am very bearish short term, but do agree that if they can start shifting their products then they will be a very successful company. At the moment they are not.

pth

Ptholden,
I think Haystacks post 17792, I fairly acurate.
1st part. "The support comes from a time when there was optimism and prospects. It had been stagnant for a long time before that and a lot lower previous to then".
Can't see anything wrong with that statement.

2nd part. "It is difficult to see where any optimism could come from now. Market sentiment seems firmly against them now".
Agree with the bit re market sentiment but I still see an optomistic view. But before anyone states that I am blindly following the company, as said earlier, they will have to produce soon as we can't live on prospects forever, no matter how good the products look in the pipeline.

greekman

The support was established before optimism and prospects of the new range of products became widely recognised, mid 2003; a long time before most people had even heard of SEO on this board, the majority of whom probably jumped on board at the beginning of last year. I agreed with the remainder.

pth

ptholden
'Jeez, how the f**k can you disregard the finanical situation'

I've been in for 2.5 years now and was never attracted to invest because of the financial situation at the time I invested - no investors have, because the financial situation has never been good.

All investors came on board because of the potential, which still remains. The interims affected the SP , the current stock market fall affected the SP - but neither affected the potential.

obo

What attratced most PIs to this share was the hyped potential and promise of orders by SEO. How many people sat and calculated what 100, 200 or 1000 Greenseal machines would be worth? Or at the very least were happy to read of those who did. In the early stages SEO had a negligble turnover and relatively small losses, now they have a negligabble turnover and massive unsustainable losses. The financial situation has all of a sudden become very important.

I keep saying that I agree the potential is still there, the products haven't gone away, but the situation is far from rosy, ask all those investors / punters that have lost a pile on hyped RNSs. You are one of the lucky ones who probably hasn't lost a bean, others have not been so fortunate.

pth

Ive lost LOADssss of money!!!!!!

Might start averaging down soon nothing to lose Ive pulled most of my hair out already.

Ptholden,
I take your point. It obviously depends if you are only looking at 1 support level, (the bottom) or several support levels as the sp has drifted from it's lowest to it's highest point, and back again.
The comment...."I keep saying that I agree the potential is still there, the products haven't gone away, but the situation is far from rosy".......I do agree with. If this was a horse race with SEO as an each way bet, I would still keep my money on it.
The Grand National springs to mind. I feel SEO only have a couple of fences left to jump, but in last years race, the horse I backed fell with 2 to go. Not the best analogy, but it's the best I can do.

I 1st got in at 15p now bought a load more and averaged down, if it makes 15p again at least I make a few hundred profit. May hold long term but need convincing.

Yes, I'm pi$$ed off with the sp and the interims. And the delays come to that.
I tend to agree that the portfolio of products still has just the same potential, but I am less concerned than others about the financial situation.
We know that Asda (and by extension WM) are still keen and after exclusivity. These guys are not mugs. they will have checked SEO's ability to fulfil any contract long, long ago. If they had the slightest doubt, they would have pulled the plug there and then instead of wasting a small fortune pursuing negotiations that were going nowhere.
Unhappy, but sitting tight.
Buy some more and average down? no way. Sell? Same answer.
Alan