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http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Thanks Greekman, I already knew the distinction between the differing types of trades, it was purely the mechanism by which they become AT or O to which Haystack has quite succinctly responded, so thanks too.

I don't think it was an objective SEO thread, not that it matters. Show me an unbiased person and I will show you someone who has no opinions.

I prefer to read biased opinions as long as I can see where their bias lies.

Personally, I think SEO has much further to fall and is never going to be successful.

I can't see food companies switching over to SEO packaging as they supply many supermarkets and it makes their supply methods fragmented. It was indicated above that the packaging film might be microwave suitable, but not suitable for ovens. That's a killer right away as prepacked meals need to be suitable for cooking both ways.

Cheers Garyble,
I have a few books on the stock market. Some of it is obvious, some not too bad to understand, and a large bit way over my head. I find the advise on these threads re the workings of the system often more helpful.
I now know about ten times as much as I did prior to starting to wade through said books. I know a bit now, whereas before as Manuel (Fawlty Towers) would say " I know nothing". A bit like SEO investor relations info line. I wonder if Manuel now works there. PR manager perhaps.

There have been many articles stating the power of supermarkets over their suppliers. It is often stated that the power is due to many suppliers being almost exclusive to these companies. The same applies for packaging companies. Many are almost solo reliant on even 1 particular supermarket.
Remember the passenger in flight food suppliers to the airlines, Gate Gourmet that almost went bust last summer due to a strike. The managers stated that if those airlines did not renew contracts the company would either go bust or reduce the workforce drastically.
Also many reports have stated that due to tightening margins between such suppliers via profit per item, they have to reduce waste and costs re packaging materials.
The bottom line is that if ASDA or any other of the big 4 decide they want Greanseal, Starpol of any other SEO product, there suppliers will either jump to their command or face the consequences.

Snip
You cam't have it both ways. I give you 6 out of 10

Snip - 13 Oct 2005 12:06 - 48 of 60
up to re-test 18 imo

bosley - 13 Oct 2005 12:41 - 49 of 60
snip, you see this now climbing to 18p?

I regularly have it both ways.
But thats for another board.

I thought it was a two-prongued attack: 1) GS displacing conventional heat-sealers, the benefits being reduced energy, improved seal quality, etc. 2) Starpol materials........

IF the oven cook option is currently not satisfied by starpol, you can be certain there will be an RNS at some point in the near future staing that the boys in the back room have cracked it and Starpol 2010 is now undergoing a limited exclusivity period with .......

Are we sure about the oven option? I've not read anything official suggesting it isn't oven-friendly.

If it isn't, ASDA/WM would have known from the start - if they still felt its worth the trials, etc. then I dont see why we should see a problem there. They may have sufficient non-oven (i.e. non-ready made meal applications) to make it worthwhile.

This is how adverse rumours begin!

driver, be fair.

"Snip - 03 Nov 2005 19:31 - 58 of 60
very little support then 10p followed by 8p

This is happening quicker than expected

seo is weak "

Just read this from April by Terry Robins, not sure if you've read it??

http://profitthroughinnovation.com/content/view/184/

bos
That's what I mean about both ways, OK 7 out of 10

angusrjy
We have read similar stuff good find though I might put it on the research page.

OB,
All I am going by is the material make-up of the product. I can't find anything that states it is OK at oven type temperatures. Also can't find anything in the SEO info that states the same, so not rumor making, just thinking that if it was cooker friendly they would have mentioned it. I hope I am wrong as obviously this would make for an even better product.
Cheers Greek.

I'm no scientist, and definitely no cook, but..........
If I cook a piece of food then surely the food gets to the same temperature as the oven it is in. Given that the food is in contact with its packaging, the packaging must also reach that temperature. Surely exactly the same applies when microwaving? The oven itself does not reach the temperature, but the food (and by extension) the packaging does?
If you need to cook chicken to X degrees, it matters not the type of oven. the temperature of the chicken, and therefore the packaging, will be the same.
Perhaps someone more familiar with kitchens and less familiar with takeaways will disabuse me of this notion.
I thought it was merely the containers metal content or the type of food that made it suitable for one or the other.
Alan

I get pretty firework displays when I microwave meals in metal trays - just adds to the delights I discovered on being divorced!
Tony

greek, sorry if you thought I was accusing you of rumour mongering. Absoulutely not. It was just that several people including you had discussed this point and at the oher end I saw a post that indicated that it was now taken as a fact that Starpol couldn't be put in the oven. People could read that and then make another post, etc etc and we don't know if it's fact or fiction in reality. I was accusing all of us. No offence intended.

Alan,

I'm no scientist either but doesn't a microwave work by accelerating and moving the water molecules in the food? Items not containing water, such as plates, containers, etc. dont heat up (except for a little by normal heat transfer from the heated item).

Thats how I understand it oblo. A by-product of the magnatron designed for radar purposes during WW2. That the point. If there were water present in the SEO product, then biodegredation would surely start at manufacture (as this requires moisture and higher temperatures), or it would contaminate the food.
Consensus opinion........buggered if we know.
Alan

A microwave oven uses microwaves to heat food. Microwaves are radio waves. In the case of microwave ovens, the commonly used radio wave frequency is roughly 2,500 megahertz (2.5 gigahertz). Radio waves in this frequency range have an interesting property: they are absorbed by water, fats and sugars. When they are absorbed they are converted directly into atomic motion -- heat. Microwaves in this frequency range have another interesting property: they are not absorbed by most plastics, glass or ceramics. Metal reflects microwaves, which is why metal pans do not work well in a microwave oven.

If you put a microwave meal in a convential oven the packaging becomes more stressed and will become distorted to a degree. Fundamentally a microwave meal should be heated only in a microwave oven, otherwise the purpose is wasted.

End of science lesson for today!
kim

OB,

None taken,no problem did not think you did but just wanted to justify my comments (I like you hate the rumor mongers).

Alan,

Not fully right re the food (like you no scientist, even got the litmus test wrong at school). I understand it depends on the molecules, and fat,water content.
As to packaging, if you look at aluminum foil, greaseproof paper for example they get no where near the temp of the food (it's them darn molecules again).
Also as OB states microwaves move the molecules round so only heat created in the food (also as said a bit by heat transfer).
As to Starpol oven qualities, still can't find anything that states it is oven friendly although hope I am wrong.
If anyone knows different, it would make me happier as obviously Starpol would be an even better product than I thought it was.

Kim,

I bet you got the litmus test right as well. Cheers for the tech info.
Only just seen the last couple of posts as it takes me quite a while to type out my posts (useless at science and a techniphobe to boot).

'Morning all

I am going to run a litmus test on SEO and ask them if they know whether their starpol 2000 and maybe 3000 is microwavable without any adverse toxins seeping into the food.

The oily one

I had a litmus test at school and failed.

It was for intelligence!