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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

cynic - 07 Apr 2008 07:57 - 1798 of 21973

difficult innit!

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 08:10 - 1799 of 21973

With start of new tax year - I think FTSE will climb some more - but my analysis has beed so far off the mark over the past week that I will just watch you experts for a while before making up my mind/

Falcothou - 07 Apr 2008 08:37 - 1800 of 21973

If or when it tanks they'll be calling it a fool's rally. Rio quite close to resistance now which makes a short a consideration as it it made a long a consideration at 48 support, wish I had then!

ptholden - 07 Apr 2008 09:00 - 1801 of 21973

Pity I didn't follow my own thoughts and take a long position on the DOW last night. Hindsight is a wonderful thing :)

spitfire43 - 07 Apr 2008 09:56 - 1802 of 21973

FTSE has just spiked to 6000 level, interesting to see DOW futures at 12700. So we could see some short term strength, I will content myself with a little scalping at 6000+ level to the downside.

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 10:02 - 1803 of 21973

spitfire - can you explain scalping please ?

ptholden - 07 Apr 2008 10:18 - 1804 of 21973

Rather than taking a longer term view of the Index spitfire is trading very short moves for a few pts at a time, perhaps even just one, ie, scalping.

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 10:30 - 1805 of 21973

thanks PT.

I use BSL and they charge a fixed amount on index cfds of 12.50. So I would need to cover 25 plus 4 points for the spread. Am I paying through the nose? or do you use a big bet ie 50 per point - to reduce the overhead of the commision charges.

I am only at the 5 per point stage - so obviously I need a bigger movement to cover costs and spread to make a profita

ptholden - 07 Apr 2008 10:38 - 1806 of 21973

I wouldn't consider scalping using CFDs, spreadbets only with no commission charges. Size of the bet is individual preference depenadnt on risk appetite. Personally I think 50 is quite a sizeable bet and one that could cause significant damage to one's pot in pretty short order!

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 10:53 - 1807 of 21973

Ah - thanks. Am only using CFD's - have not really got my head round SB's - perhaps thats my problem - and why my profits dissolve with the commission charges.

spitfire43 - 07 Apr 2008 11:02 - 1808 of 21973

I started trying to use CFD for index reading, but changed to SB's which have no commission, only the spread which is only 2 points on FTSE.

I only scalp using 3 points, and only on days where market seems undecided about positive direction. A bit like myself today, I just can't make up my mind on when to jump in.

spitfire43 - 07 Apr 2008 11:12 - 1809 of 21973

Very frustrating, problem with scalping you have to watch the screens the whole time, I missed first chance at 6000 to short, but I'm sure FTSE will hit 6000 again.

cynic - 07 Apr 2008 11:26 - 1810 of 21973

if in doubt, do nowt ...... if anything, would be inclined to short

maggiebt4 - 07 Apr 2008 11:29 - 1811 of 21973

Spitfire Is that Ftse daily? b'cos Ftse april with IG spread is 6 + extra 3. Can you roll over a daily bet ? knowing my luck if I short it I'll go up.

cynic - 07 Apr 2008 11:43 - 1812 of 21973

just for info, i think IG CFDs charge $10 in each direction per $2 mini-Dow contract, and FTSE must be similarly small - i.e. 5 in each direction per 2 mini-FTSE contract

FTSE spread during market hours is 2 points or 4 outside
I think Dow is be 4 or 6 outside

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 12:16 - 1813 of 21973

Thanks for the info guys

Will look at SB's

spitfire43 - 07 Apr 2008 13:45 - 1814 of 21973

Hi Maggie, yes the 2 points was for a daily rolling bet, you can roll it over to next day for a small charge. Sometimes if you want to take a longer position, maybe over a week or longer it can pay to use a CFD contract.

maggiebt4 - 07 Apr 2008 13:48 - 1815 of 21973

Thanks Spitfire might take a dabble but not today.

bhunt1910 - 07 Apr 2008 15:12 - 1816 of 21973

one of those funny days again with the dow dropping since the open and the Ftse holding - even pushing up ??

cynic - 07 Apr 2008 16:35 - 1817 of 21973

Dow remains decidedly undecided ...... am glad i have taken no position at all, but still remain inclined to short, but shall wait and watch
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