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BIG fall if far east stocks and futures Imperial Tobacco the world's fourth biggest tobacco firm, reported a 40 percent rise in annual profits to 898 million pounds for the year to September 30 at the top of analyst forecasts of 867-898 million pounds and said it was well positioned for future growth. They are going to pay a higher dividend.mmO2 mobile phone group made its first operating profit with a strong rise in underlying earnings and a 13 percent increase in customers to 19.2 million, though it forecast tougher competition in the second half. Earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation rose to 621 million pounds compared with 387 million last year and a range of analysts' forecasts between 544 million and 657 million pounds. Revenue rose 21 percent to 2.68 billion pounds, in line with forecasts. Galen Holdings said it had won approval from U.S. regulators to sell a new version of its Ovcon oral contraceptive pill. JJB Sports said it had sold its TJ Hughes discount clothing stores to the unit's management for 55.8 million pounds in the face of scepticism from investors Majestic Wine reported a 42 percent jump in half-year profits on Monday and said like-for-like UK sales rose 7.5 percent in the six weeks since September 30. Profit rose to 3.96 million pounds in the six months to September 29, from 2.79 million pounds the previous year. Sales grew 21.8 percent to 69.1 million pounds. Chrysalis radio full-year profit soared to 23.9 million pounds from 5.8 million pounds a year earlier, citing increased market share at Heart FM, now London's most popular radio station. Turnover climbed 4.5 percent to 246 million pounds and it expects first-quarter radio revenues to increase 17.5 percent from last year.

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Market is moving sideways - you're very right stockbunny - it's a day to sit tight!

Regarding you invitation to join the pattern, TA, elliot wave formation discussion etc .. I am not qualified in TA, but I dare to make the hypothese or the first attack: from the commensence none of them works, neither fundamentalist nor TA analyst is correct

Hope it interesting enough target point for those who are reluctant to join. Only specialised on one of that field even when you could make a Phd on that stuff, you will see your pocket soon empty and u better regret for not staying in writing programs, writing fundamental tips and literature which will be more profitable.

I stress again NEITHER Fundamental NOR technical analysis is right.

reg discussion on pattern, TA etc:

and here is the second attact if anyone want to tell me there is any unbelieveale good sensitive gihly effective trading system, worth zig thousands pound trading exist in this world and have a place to get a rewards, give me three to six months and give me the mini version where every thing is basic no high tech, intelligent chart inside for 10 and give me six months max I xa prove that the bigger, more expensive although contained more sophosticated tech, intelligent would be less succuessfuk then the 10 cheap version.

And here is a low blow, I bet that the so called expert have long time ago a hunch that my hypothese is right, that the whole thing is only circus, but they keep quiet, from the big financial programmer to the one who earn money and respect though some graphs, they all know that thing doesn't work ... but why say so it is more profitable to let folk wanders in the fog around, rathwr tell them the truth.

NEITHER Fundamental NOR technical analysis is right Hocuspocus only

stock bunny sideway can't pull down COBHAM, and CHRYSALIS MMO2!

Buy I would suggest. Only commensence, or what they call in old book contrarian trader tactic, when evryone dug, you better dig there are more worms to find . .. :-) They seem to wait for the result come out of some sort of market, treasurer expert this afternoon. I wonders why waiting what good for? They won't help us, you won't deter them what they already had in mind for their pocket, they won't shed a smallest tear on your lost. Same situation as a weeks ago everyone wait to know interest rate was going to be 0.25 or .5%!!! None of the sell, and waiting sideline was good, rate went up to 0.25 and what has changed?Even .5% market situation doesn't change much to the better. The only thing I find really good at all these bad events, is that I can undeterrently walking around ang get stocks cheep .. oh, me me if I could have a lot more money for investing I would go non-stop on those day around shopping and pray that people will take the chancellor, premier minister talk more seriously and sell more so stock would be cheaper and more time for me to buy.

I don't understand why some investor by the slightest market down movement taking profit and destroy the price level where they later buy back in. Regardless which past which chance thise stock can have ... There is a lot money go in smoke by the practice ... and even on those they with an early sell they still losing because large spread, market open and MM set all ready and wait for first seller, what do you think, wrong to keep?

Stock Bunny
The market is looking very fragile at the moment as in the Far East overnight.
There is just a possibility that this could develop into a very fast and sharp sell off so I do not want to be caught on the wrong side of it.
D.

Sitting firmly on my hands currently (lol) and using the time to
research potential targets given an attractive price being available
for them! Yes ntk98 I follow the 'contrarian' tactical approach generally
if it's already upwardly mobile I don't tend to find it an attractive
opportunity but it doesn't always work, I've had the odd finger bitten!

ntk98 I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are going on about!

Little Woman - buy you a coffee in the tea rooms? Are you having a
relatively good day?
On reviewing my last post and the comment on what's upwardly mobile
not being attractive..This could be read in an interesting light when
applied to other life areas (and explain a great deal too)
Ah...A hearty laughing session is good for the soul!

Be over in a mo

littlewoman :
time for a nice iced lemon tea to cool down the brain b 4 getting on the dow.Going to watch from the sidelines first.
Ps: you are quite right i have no idea what ntk98 is ranting and raving on about - he/she was on last weeks thread posting there until i told him to use the 17/11/03 -maybe should have left it there.

rgds
zarif

zarif any views 4 today dows got the feeling of futs been marked down a little 2 far propen.imho

i think u r right - but reckon its going to fall a bit then travel north.
watch out for whipsaws -sharks as i call them.
good luck and keep us posted. trin at 2.30 was 2.9

Heads Up - my screen is showing less in the red and more greens
are we stablising slightly..?
Sorry the brain will not spell accurately today!

I've put have a second screen of the heat maps on the FTSE up - more blue than this morning!

Going to play with some of the options!

Looks like SSE was the place to put your money first thing!

9700 gone on the Dow.

Now we'll see how good these support levels
on FTSE stocks are.

Melnibone

I agree with all reagrds the Far east problem. I mean if taking time to research is fine, but cutting loss today if a bad idea, MM use scare tactic as well to marke down price, increse spread react today you loose a lot. If ever intend to cutting any thing we should do regularly but not today. Obserse closely what happen and prepare to take measure agaisnt a market crash is OK, crocodile, but that should be the last thing on our mind.

If looking back all the crash of economie cause by a wave of sells, not because of the problem in 1rst WW, 2nd WW make a certain stock less valuable, the cause of price failure is IMO panic sell, in modern time it worst because one phone call, or now only a finger tips or in comecase trading system with stop loss could alone be enough to trigger instability of the stock market. Or would you think the Falkland war would make Tesco, safeway and saint burry or pub or hotel in London look less attractive. How come that most people think war is at fault? price of those share can fall temporary but after war it would rise back there. That there is a necessary for taken care and in the worst case sell erything you have is not cause by war but caused by a wave of panic selling which erode the share price ungenuine ly so much that after ware thing take long to recover, and that is the reaon you have to swimm with the p[anic wave even you don't like. But not because of war, because of the assaination of somepresident etc ...should have no effect on productivity, share value at all.

The war in Irak, on the one hand is a stupid contruct war base on unbelieveable agent report, unprepared information activity, and UK plus USA have to take the batter at the moment for going to war in such a bad manner even WW veterans will be shocked for seeing what the modern war machine is capable of ... nothing much ; on the other hand it is a justice war, a regime which terrors their own people is not worth a dime to be support. No argument on souverainity, independence, ideology or humanity or peace process can protect such a regim or critisize so who ever chase that regime down in a war form, or poliical form deserve the right to be partly forgiven for its mistake in the whole.

OK the west haven't been acting right and after what ever happen they own people a appology but on the other side the people should never let their sentiment cover their intelligence and say that regime is bad, they are killer let sit down and talk with them they must admit it won't work for how long already.

It is the face of the whole world against such a regime or who evrr still want to support it , how long have they sit on their hand let thing in Bosnia, former Jugoslavia, Ethiopean, Kongo, last for decade and let the humanity suffer before some countries decide to stand up and stop the devils. I think a political union will forms soon

Therefore the war in Far east has nocause to crash the market, if people know and just not jump to conclusion and start the panic selling of all

MKS down to 279p.

If it closes below 278, and the US continues to drop
after the FTSE closes, then I see a lot of fresh air
below this stock.

Melnibone

and market is better now buyers are comming back.... wonder are they the same who sold in the morning. well probaly ?77 loss on a position for a stock of 10% spread is nothing if you care about a 10K investment

look at OYS panic sell will come back soon.

Look at AZN great stock great news currently down -0.1% potential when this non-sense of panic selling went over. ZOO and YOO great potential,