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Traders Thread & Thoughts - Monday 2nd February (BAA)     

Crocodile - 01 Feb 2004 11:54

UK PreMarket Futures FTSE +7 DAX +5 DOW +10 S&P +1.4 Nasdaq +3

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More cases of 'Bird Flu' drive Hong Kong stocks lower: Analysts predicting the FTSE 100 will continue to fall from January highs as investors await a likely interest rate hike and eye results from Shell.

BAA airports operator posted a one percent rise in operating profit to 500 million pounds for the nine months compared to analysts expecting 492 million. Sales rose by 3.5 percent to 1.54 billion pounds and they said airlines confidence and a solid economy would underpin strong passenger growth.  December traffic hit a record.

Securicor said it was in talks over a nil-premium merger with Danish rival Group 4. The merged business would be listed in both London and Copenhagen.

Filtronic maker of wireless telecoms components reported first-half profits of 2.2 million pounds well above market forecasts of 0.8 million.Rio Tinto the world's second largest miner, said its second-half profit fell 10.5 percent as strong China demand was offset by weak coal earnings and a rising Australian dollar. Profit fell to $741 million from $828 million a year earlier compared with an average analyst forecast, excluding a gain from the sale of its 50 percent interest in Indonesia's Kaltim Prima Coal.

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little woman - 02 Feb 2004 13:03 - 18 of 48

A WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE News Roundup

BRUSSELS--European stocks rose in midday trading Monday, as manufacturing data indicated the economic recovery is continuing. HVB lifted banking stocks in Frankfurt amid takeover speculation.

The Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index, which tracks Europes 600 largest listed companies, rose 0.4% to 236.75. The Dow Jones Euro Stoxx Index, which tracks companies in countries that joined the common currency, rose 0.6% to 252.37.
The Dow Jones Euro Stoxx 50 Index gained 0.6% to 2857.0, while the Dow Jones Stoxx 50 Index rose 0.3% to 2703.2.

In London, the FTSE-100 Share Index gained 0.3% to 4404.3. The U.K. January purchasing managers index was unchanged from December, at a four-year high of 56.0.

The oil sector was buoyed as Cairn Energy jumped 18% after offering further details of its oil find in Rajasthan.

Securicor gained 3.3% on news that it is in talks to merge with Denmarks Group4 Falck in a deal that values the U.K. security company at more than $1.1 billion. Group4 shares gained 5% in Copenhagen.

Trading in shares of British broadcaster ITV began on the London Stock Exchange, with shares in the newly merged broadcaster debuting 141 pence and rising to 143.5 pence in brisk trading.

Marconi gained 1.5% after Credit Suisse First Boston raised its price target for the stock.

Cigarette maker Gallaher rose 1.3% after CSFB raised is rating on the stock to neutral, saying it provides probably the highest degree of forecast certainty in the sector.

Engineering and industrial-processes company Invensys rose 14% on continued speculation it is planning a 500 million rights issue.

In Frankfurt, the Xetra Dax Index rose 0.6% to 4083.17.

HVB Group gained 2.2%, on reports in the U.K. that Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays plan an HVB takeover. "We do not think that this speculation is realistic," said Merck Fincks Konrad Becker. HVB was unavailable to comment. Barclays reiterated it has said it would look at European opportunities. RBOS wouldn't buy HVB because it doesn&apost fit with RBOS's stated strategy, said a source close to the bank. RBOS rose 0.6% in London.

In Madrid, Spain&aposs second-largest bank, Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria, fell 1% after announcing it has launched a EUR3.3 billion offer for the 41% it doesn't already own of its Mexico unit Grupo Financiero BBVA Bancomer SA. The bank also posted a 30% rise in 2003 net profit on a strong domestic lending business and lower bad loan provisions.

Footwear company Puma jumped 4.3% after Sal. Oppenheim raised the stock to "strong buy", saying its 2003 earnings Friday "contained a major positive surprise in order backlog growth," which increased to 27% from 17% in the third quarter.

In Paris, the CAC-40 Index advanced 1% to 3672 as financial stocks pulled higher amid hopes for strong fourth-quarter updates.

Societe Generale rose 2.7%, AXA rose 2.3% and BNP Paribas gained 2.3%.
Computing services company Cap Gemini rose 4% amid talk that Smith Barney rates the stock at "buy." Smith Barney wasn&apost available for comment.
France&aposs manufacturing sector recorded its highest level of activity for 18 months in January, according to a survey of purchasing managers published by CDAF/Reuters Monday. The French manufacturing purchasing managers' index rose for the fourth consecutive month.

In Zurich, Adecco gained 3% after Pictet raised the stock to "buy" following the company&aposs statement Friday that its accounting probe so far has unveiled only minor bookkeeping errors. Adecco gained 14% Friday.

In currency markets, the euro was almost flat against the dollar, at $1.2456 compared with $1.2453 late Friday in New York. The pound was also unmoved, at $1.8221, compared with $1.8213.

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 13:59 - 19 of 48

After the initial "OK" start the FTSE is falling quite fast. Are people worried about the US open in half an hour?

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:01 - 20 of 48

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Budget Administration acknowledged anew Monday that the federal debt limit will have to be increased again before the end of the current 2004 fiscal year.

"The debt subject to limit is estimated to increase to $7.464 trillion by the end of 2004, which is more than the present statutory debt limit of $7.384 trillion," the Administration said in its newly-issued fiscal 2005 budget.
Fiscal year 2004 ends Sept. 30.

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:07 - 21 of 48

FTSE actual droped to nearly 4350 for a few seconds!

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:20 - 22 of 48

smart money been selling the rally for last 7 odd trading sessions maybe they just showed the hand, not bouncing up atm considering if it was a fat finger!

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:29 - 23 of 48

I've just received a message

"FTSE March futures low traded was 4274.0 at a time of 14:04"

I'm not very good at understanding the obvious at times - but I presume I am right in thinking this is not a good sign!

stockbunny - 02 Feb 2004 14:30 - 24 of 48

It sounds a pretty bad sign on the face of it...
FTSE looking slightly better now than 10-15 mins ago...

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:31 - 25 of 48

lw dont panic, fat finger no doubt or leaked data for later!

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:37 - 26 of 48

just read on another bb fat finger guilty of 6000 contracts, unconfirmed atm!

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:40 - 27 of 48

I've got to ask - fat finger?

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:41 - 28 of 48

lw bigger than a little one:)

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:46 - 29 of 48

:-)

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:49 - 30 of 48

lw a mistake, eg somone putting too many00000000 on the end:)

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:50 - 31 of 48

testex, because hes looking for a down brk? and you think up today?

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 14:54 - 32 of 48

Thanks PB, one day I may stop asking questions as seem to remembering some of the answers! (The omega-3 may be working :-))

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:56 - 33 of 48

trade the chart m8 posting article which i read over weekend, no chart thou but good read

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 14:57 - 34 of 48

Should I Trade the Forecast or the Market?
By Bennett A. McDowell

Many trading systems and just about all opinions of market direction attempt to forecast the market. Whether one uses fundamental or technical analysis, if an opinion is being generated, you are attempting to forecast the market. Some use Elliott Wave theory, some rely on P/E ratios but the overall purpose is to estimate where prices will be at some point in the future. As traders and human beings we will always have opinions and ideas based on our beliefs about what we have experienced. No matter how hard we try not to have opinions, we just can't seem to help having them.

How we use these opinions, forecasts, and beliefs is important. Where the markets are concerned, the first thing to realize is that all opinions or forecasts about the markets are nothing more than fantasies. At the moment a forecast is formed, it's reality does not exist.

With this said, do we want to just trade fantasies? Obviously not! Then how can we use forecasts to help us in trading, instead of hurting us? These are important questions. Here are some examples and analogies of how forecasts can help or hurt us.

Example One: Let's say you believe the forecast generated by an Elliott Wave theory indicating that stock XYZ is about to begin a trend up. Even the MACD is indicating positive divergence. You say to yourself, "A no-brainier, I'll buy here and wait". Another week goes by and instead of beginning its up-trend, XYZ stock goes lower. You say to yourself, "I entered this trade too early, but I BELIEVE it will head up very soon", so you hold on another week.

Next week the stock goes lower, and now you are worried. The MACD bullish divergence is still present and the Elliott Wave forecast remains the same, but it looks like it is heading down for one last time, a shake out. You think to yourself, "Can't go much lower". The next day the stock plummets, you panic and sell out your position and scratch your head saying, "How could that happen"? It happens all the time to traders relying on the forecast and not the actual market!!!




In this example, the trader held on to his fantasy based on his forecast. His faith in the forecast leads him to avoid using a stop-loss. This is typical for traders locked in to this type of forecast trading. After all, their ego is involved here, too.

Let's take the same example and show how to use the forecast to our advantage. Instead of just buying the stock outright based on it's positive forecast, we wait until the stock shows signs of actually reversing it's trend down. We feel based on our forecast that this stock will turn around soon but the current reality indicates that it is not happening now.

By not purchasing the stock and waiting for the price of the stock to show signs of actual strength, we are "Trading The Market And Not The Forecast."

However, we are using the forecast to get ready and to keep this stock in our lists of possibilities.

Look at forecasts to help round out your trading. It is another trading tool in you can use. Use this analogy as a way to think of forecasts. Let's say you are planning a sailing trip for the day. You check the weather forecast and it is not good with heavy rain and wind expected. You have a great boat, you're an experienced sailor, so off you go. As you leave the dock, the weather is perfect. It is sunny with light winds. Now I ask you, even though the forecast is for very heavy rain and heavy winds, would you wear your rain gear now or wait until conditions change? I think most of us would wait until conditions actually change. You would also set the sails of the boat to the current weather conditions and winds and not the forecasted conditions which may or may not even happen. If you put up small storm sails now you will not be able to sail the boat in the current light air conditions. As weather conditions change, you change along with the weather!


The sailor in this example would use the forecast to be PREPARED for a possibility of bad weather by bringing rain gear and the proper sails and crew. It is the same with trading! Whatever the forecast is, take note but trade with the current conditions and be ready if conditions change. In other words, "Trade the Market, Not the Forecast!" Or maybe another way of looking at it is to "Live In The Present And Not The Future Or The Past!

When trading the "Realities" of the market, it is also important to trade within the "Realities" of your risk capital. Implementing sound money management encompasses many techniques and skills intertwined by the trader's judgment. All three of these ingredients must be in place before the trader is said to be using a money management program along with their trading. Failure to implement a good money management program will leave the trader subject to the deadly "risk-of-ruin" exposure leading eventually to a probable equity bust.

Whenever I hear of a trade making a huge killing in the market on a relatively small or average trading account, I know the trader was most likely not implementing sound money management. In cases such as this, the trader more than likely exposed themselves to obscene risk because of an abnormally high "Trade Size." In this case, the trader or gambler may have gotten lucky, leading to a profit windfall. If this trader continues trading in this manner, probabilities indicate that it is just a matter of time before huge losses dwarf the wins, and/or eventually lead to a probable equity bust or total loss.

Whenever I hear of a trader trading the same number of shares or contracts on every trade, I know that this trader is not calculating their maximum "Trade Size." If they where, then the "Trade Size" would change from time to time when trading.

In order to implement a money management program to help reduce your risk exposure, you must first believe that you need to implement this sort of program. Usually this belief comes after having a few large losses that cause enough psychological pain that you want and need to change. You need to understand how improper "Trade Size" actually will hurt your trading.

Novice traders tend to focus on the trade outcome as only winning and therefore do not think about risk. Professional traders focus on the risk and take the trade based on a favorable outcome. Thus, "The Psychology Behind 'Trade Size'" begins when you believe and acknowledge that each trade's outcome is unknown when entering the trade. Believing this makes you ask yourself, "How much can I afford to lose on this trade and not fall prey to the "risk-of-ruin" outcome"?



When traders ask themselves that, they will then either adjust their "Trade Size" or tighten their stop-loss before entering the trade. In most situations, the best method it to adjust your "Trade Size" and set your stop-loss based on market dynamics like we teach here in "Applied Reality Trading ".

During "draw-down" periods, risk control becomes very important and since good traders test their trading systems, they have a good idea of the probabilities of how many consecutive losses in a row can occur. Taking this information into account allows the trader to further determine the appropriate risk percentage to take on each trade.

Most trading systems use a "Moving Average" to base trading decisions, especially trade exits. "Moving Averages" are usually derivatives of price and therefore do not represent the natural "Truth" of the market. Furthermore, "man-made" derived moving averages can be adjusted with variables such as simple vs. compounded, and are subject to alterations based on opinions and prone to subjectivity. Thus, I do not recommend using them as primary entry and exit signals because they do not represent the true realities of the market. Instead use an objective based trading approach to tell me when to exit the market! In addition, most trading systems that use moving averages to exit trades tend to "whip-saw" the trader in and out of trades too often!

Below is a chart illustrating how we use a "Reality-Based" trading system to trade the Reality of the market. When analyzing the chart, notice how the triangular shapes on the chart called "Pyramid Trading Points " capture the Reality of the market as it is unfolding. Both trade entries and exits are set based on price activity and not arbitrarily set by the trader. This is important because we want to enter and exit the market based on market reasons or "Market Truths".



This is a chart of the E-Mini (ES H4 contract) on a one-minute intraday time frame.




So, while it is fine to have an opinion as to market direction, it is best to base your trade entry and exit decisions on "Market Truths". Trade the realities of the market as the market unfolds and see if dealing with reality delivers a better result!

ThePlayboy - 02 Feb 2004 15:02 - 35 of 48

ism 63.6 worse

prodman - 02 Feb 2004 15:05 - 36 of 48

3:01 pm 02/02/2004
Next chairman David Jones sells 200,267 shares

LONDON (AFX) - Next PLC, the fashion retailer, said chairman David Jones
last week sold more than 200,000 shares in the company.
On Jan 28, he sold 175,000 shares at 1288 pence a share and 25,267 at 1290pence.
The disposals will have netted Jones about 2.6 mln stg before dealing costs.
At 2.49 pm, shares in Next were down 17 pence at 1269.

little woman - 02 Feb 2004 15:44 - 37 of 48

Could you see us getting away with this!

DENVER (AP)--As Colorado struggles with crippling drought, lawmakers and others are beginning to scrutinize electrical generating plants, which sucked up 21 billion gallons in 2001.

"Power plants are just water hogs," said Matt Baker, executive director of Environment Colorado, a chief proponent of renewable energy. The plants produce energy by heating water into steam that turns giant turbines and cranks out electricity. Environmental groups say it's time for utilities to switch to wind power.

House Speaker Lola Spradley, R-Beulah, introduced legislation to boost the amount of electricity investor-owned utilities get from renewable energy by at least one-half of 1% each year from 2005 through 2020. Power plants in eight Western states pulled 650 million gallons of water a day from rivers, reservoirs or aquifers in 2000, according to "The Last Straw," a study by Western Resource Advocates. The Boulder-based policy and law center favors alternative energy use.

It takes about three-fifths of a gallon of water to produce one kilowatt-hour of electricity, enough to burn a 100-watt light bulb for 10 hours.
Most of that water is lost to steam and pollution, according to "The Last Straw," which is widely cited in the statehouse debate over shifting more of the state's energy load to renewable energy.

Currently, less than 1% of the state's annual power supply comes from renewable resources such as wind and sun.

Xcel Energy (XEL), the state's largest electricity provider, supported a similar Spradley bill last year. That measure was approved by the House and died in the Senate.
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